C&g 2396

[woko]

Hi all, just booked this course for end of nov.
can anyone offer any advise or links to past papers. Anything at all that I can use to prepare for the course.

Thanks

 

[Aindowsimon]

Wot is this course about ?

 

[alanl]

BS7671, the OSG, and Brian Scaddens Design & verification for 2396.
No need for anything else, though the IET Electrical Installation Guide may be worthwhile, but is quite in-depth.

 

[markc123]

I've got the Brain Scadden book aswell, pretty good i have too say. I've been meaning to enroll on this course for sometime now but never got round to doing it.

Good luck and let me know how it is



Aindowsimon....2396 is Electrical Design....it's a level 4 qual.

 

[Aindowsimon]

Didnt that used to be 2400 ?? Anyway have wanted to do design course , wot are people's thought of the new course ?

 

[markc123]

Didnt that used to be 2400 ?? Anyway have wanted to do design course , wot are people's thought of the new course ?

I think the 2396 is the old 2391-20. .... just did a quick google search and yep, it's the old 2391-20.

My thoughts on the new course are....(forget Electrical Trainee here for a minute) there are plenty of electricians who have done there time properly, but haven't been bothered to do any extras apart from the updates. So if you do go the extra mile, and put the effort in new horizons can be achieved (potentially) .

I will get round to doing this course one day, i am determined, just with work commitments at the moment it's not really possible. Aindowsimon, you should maybe try and find out who on here as done the course, or its predecessor, and send them a PM.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Speak to Biff55, he did it about a year ago.

 

[Guest55]

you think the 2391 written was tough ?

oh boy , youre gonna love the 2396 exam lol.

 

[Aindowsimon]

How did you find it biff ? My main obstacle is courses as design course doesn't run that often at all around hear the Coleg wont put my name down as they need to get enough interest in it before they'll give it a go ahead , next thing I hear they ran it but I Hear nothing !

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Going to be doing this bad boy next year! September time. Mentally preparing myself for a year from hell already!

 

[Badged01]

you think the 2391 written was tough ?

oh boy , youre gonna love the 2396 exam lol.

Take it you mean the 2391-10 being tough?

If so, how did the 2391-20 exam compare to the 2396? I would be intrigued if it was any harder or in-depth, other than maybe more questions?

 

[alanl]

This is what I posted last year:

It was far harder than previous 2391-20 papers had led us all (on the course) to believe.10 questions (broken into smaller bits), with 20 marks for each question total. 3 hours exam.Old 2391-20 paper asked "Give 4 ways of shock protection", 2396 paper said "Give 4 ways of shock protection in detail, with examples of their use". All of the questions (bar 1 or 2 minor 2 point queries) were in a similar vein, in asking for detailed descriptions and everyday practicalities of their use.


There was far more writing than expected, with little use of diagrams - just the one diagram iirc of a meshed bonded building to reduce electro-magnetic interference.Only 10 - 12 marks that were really easy, one was list the 7 types of wiring and installation - a direct copy from the book, but there were no other questions like that.One testing question, "say how to measure the Ze of a 3 phase supply?" - easy, until you realise 3 phase isnt listed in GN3 or OSG, so unless you have tested 3ph, you were unlikely to get full marks for that.


Calculations for CPC and Zs seemed quite straightforward at the time, but afterwards, everyone had a slightly different result, and many hadnt noted the main point that the disconnection time was too high. I even read it 3 times, it was a Type C 60898 with 4.4 secs disconnect, yet I didnt think of noting it would not meet the regs. I wasnt alone.


Overall, this was far harder than any other electrical exam I have taken. I think I have done enough for a pass, but I cannot be sure. I know I was far more confident when taking 2391-10, so this one, where you can take in your books, must be pretty difficult. As for having the books, yes, the regs gives you a help, however, it does not list why you would use some equipment, it just says you must use that equipment, so it is everyday work that gives you the experience to pass this one.


OSG was used for some cable calcs, but little else, GN3 was only used for the Ze test explanation, but even then did not give the full answer required.Now comes the hard part with the project to design the install for a catalogue shop. This is far more in-depth that I imagined too, so the estimated 40 hours of time required on it is a little too low I think.

 

[Guest55]

Take it you mean the 2391-10 being tough?

If so, how did the 2391-20 exam compare to the 2396? I would be intrigued if it was any harder or in-depth, other than maybe more questions?

i'd not done any of the early design courses so i wouldnt know how they compare , but i found it far harder the 2391 T&I exam ,
the 2396 written exam was totally not what i expected to be honest.
for a start , to answer all question to a full extent that shows your understanding of the topics would take a good 4-4.5 hrs......
youre given 3 hrs which instantly puts you under the cosh.

in addition , all the inspection quals , 2391 , 92 , 94 & 95 only cover 1 subject really , and thats testing , making it easier to revise / study for.
whereas a design exam could cover any subject.
and they expect your answers to be as stated in bs7671.

to sum it up , i'd say the 2396 written is like an ultra tough regs exam with maths at the start and testing proceedures at the end.

 

[Badged01]

.... i'd say the 2396 written is like an ultra tough regs exam with maths at the start and testing proceedures at the end ....

Now I feel totally inadequate only holding the 2391-10 and 2391-20. How can I possibly pass myself off as a designer and inspector of installations not having the full electrical knowledge you young bucks holding these new qualifications have ;-(

 

[Guest55]

Now I feel totally inadequate only holding the 2391-10 and 2391-20. How can I possibly pass myself off as a designer and inspector of installations not having the full electrical knowledge you young bucks holding these new qualifications have ;-(

you sir , are a fraud with all the credentials of an imposter !

as for young , not really lol
in fact i doubt very few under 30 sign up for this course.


i am looking forward to getting 2396 printed on my JIB card though.
;-)