Came across this today .......

[magnoliafan89]

Got sent to a house today to remove a supply to a shed down the bottom of the garden...maybe 20m away from board. Went out the 32a breaker in 6mm t and e jointed under a floorboard to 2.5mm armoured,down a wall to the outside and then under the garden. Entered the shed through a drilled hole and the earth into the banjo is just wedged into the hole.
4 double sockets lighting circuit and not sure what the 16a inside was for. But there was a pond powered off it whether that was the plugged in or the 16a.
As you can imagine she wasnt best pleased when we told her we were disconnecting it and it had to go.

 

[Pete999]

Nic

Got sent to a house today to remove a supply to a shed down the bottom of the garden...maybe 20m away from board. Went out the 32a breaker in 6mm t and e jointed under a floorboard to 2.5mm armoured,down a wall to the outside and then under the garden. Entered the shed through a drilled hole and the earth into the banjo is just wedged into the hole.
4 double sockets lighting circuit and not sure what the 16a inside was for. But there was a pond powered off it whether that was the plugged in or the 16a.
As you can imagine she wasnt best pleased when we told her we were disconnecting it and it had to go.

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e tidy job that

 

[magnoliafan89]

The old phrase....its fine its always worked...came up quite a lot from her and the fella

 

[Wilko]

Oh dear, that's an ugly one.
More than once I've been called to quote on extending from installations like that. Funny thing, after politely explaining what's needed they don't invite me back.

 

[MDJ]

Who sent you to disconnect the supply?

 

[magnoliafan89]

Who sent you to disconnect the supply?

I work for a housing association she was a tenant

 

[MDJ]

I work for a housing association she was a tenant

Oh okay Mate, I wasn't trying to trip you up I just wondered, thanks for the reply fella.

 

[magnoliafan89]

Oh okay Mate, I wasn't trying to trip you up I just wondered, thanks for the reply fella.

No worries pal i didnt think you meant anything. I didnt put it in my OP so its a valid question.

 

[Octopus]

I work for a housing association she was a tenant

Still doesn't explain why this is being disconnected....

 

[magnoliafan89]

Aside the obvious of being RAF we did not install that circuit and when we came to do the test on that property we told them they couldn't have it as we didnt install it and could not take responsibility for it

 

[Dave OCD]

Who fitted the main house CU ? That looks RAF too.

 

[buzzlightyear]

delete

 

[Dave OCD]

Horrible ! I reckon that was a dual RCD board and some cretin has robbed an RCD out of it and put everything through one.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I have just posted on the forum .

 

[DPG]

I have just posted on the forum .

Well done

 

[123]

Love how they have just brought the tails through, no grommet or gland or clips, just resting against the metal knockout

 

[magnoliafan89]

Was done in 2011 by an outside contractor...dont wanna say the name as it may land me in trouble but lets just say it was a Gloucester based company. They did a lot of our places before we did and we constantly find problems with their work....like another board that theyd flipped upside down...and i mean actually upside down breakers and all because theyd used too short a cables for the tails coming up

 

[Darkwood]

Was done in 2011 by an outside contractor...dont wanna say the name as it may land me in trouble but lets just say it was a Gloucester based company. They did a lot of our places before we did and we constantly find problems with their work....like another board that theyd flipped upside down...and i mean actually upside down breakers and all because theyd used too short a cables for the tails coming up

I would say fitting a board upside down is a big no no for a few reasons, power switches now must not be able to energise a circuit or load by accident like an object falling down on them, that is why they design flip switches for power as ON in the up position and OFF in the down position... also if the board is upside down the electric could leak out

 

[Octopus]

Love how they have just brought the tails through, no grommet or gland or clips, just resting against the metal knockout

that isn't that uncommon is it judging on what I come across...

 

[Squid]

You need to find more affluent customers as I bet you won't accept tea and biscuits from this lot....... ;o)))))

 

[dksanders]

Oh dear, that's an ugly one.
More than once I've been called to quote on extending from installations like that. Funny thing, after politely explaining what's needed they don't invite me back.

Had a big 'discussion' with a customer this week as he couldn't understand why his just bought 2nd hand hot tub (believed to be 32A load) couldn't be connected to the shed 75m from the house that was already supplied by an 'armoured cable' (2.5 T&E in a garden hose pipe and buried).

I'm to quote for a proper armoured supply, isolator, etc. from garages being built 65m away that will come from another buildings intake.

Once he's confirmed the make, model etc to determine the load and I can calculate the cable size required, I somehow don't think I'll be hearing back from him.

 

[newbie1980]

ive been asked to put a supply mcb for a electric charging point a company will fit

there is old wylex board feeding the stables wylex board and new board

this board then feeds a new open fronted carport/workshop but there is a 40a mcb to the carport on 2.5mm swa which then has a garage unit with 16a on the lights and 16a on the sockets

ive advised to put the 40a down to 20a and then move the lights onto a 3a switched spur then allows 16a free for charging point.

i was asked if i could change the board so it could be future proof to extend onto other building being built lol

 

[Pete999]

ive been asked to put a supply mcb for a electric charging point a company will fit

there is old wylex board feeding the stables wylex board and new board

this board then feeds a new open fronted carport/workshop but there is a 40a mcb to the carport on 2.5mm swa which then has a garage unit with 16a on the lights and 16a on the sockets

ive advised to put the 40a down to 20a and then move the lights onto a 3a switched spur then allows 16a free for charging point.

i was asked if i could change the board so it could be future proof to extend onto other building being built lol

What exactly do you mean, in your opening paragraph?

 

[newbie1980]

What exactly do you mean, in your opening paragraph?

to just leave a 16amp mcb in a fuseboard ready for them to fit a charging point

 

[Pete999]

to just leave a 16amp mcb in a fuseboard ready for them to fit a charging point

And you are not installing the charging point? I would leave it the the peopledoing the install, they are the ones responsible for designing the circuit including the OCPD

 

[newbie1980]

And you are not installing the charging point? I would leave it the the peopledoing the install, they are the ones responsible for designing the circuit including the OCPD

ive quoted to just leave it so they can wire in

they are saying they cant do all the other stuff

i have only quoted and they have not said yes yet.

i will just downgrade everything so its safe to use. I have warned them that with the charging point and anything else being used its likely to overload the 20amp in the stables

 

[Pete999]

ive quoted to just leave it so they can wire in

they are saying they cant do all the other stuff

i have only quoted and they have not said yes yet.

i will just downgrade everything so its safe to use. I have warned them that with the charging point and anything else being used its likely to overload the 20amp in the stables

Sorry newbie1980, "they can't do all the other stuff" what is meant by that? This company doing the install are responsible for ensuring that the installation is safe and fit for use, can't honestly see the point of you putting a 16A CB in the fuseboardfor them to connect to, there are things to take into account, like install method, lenght of run, type of cable etc, sounds to me like they will blame you if the CB is wrongly sized like I said earlier the CB size will need to be considered when "they" come up with design for the circuit, who exactly are "they".
Will "they be certifying the installation? sounds iffy to me.

 

[newbie1980]

Sorry newbie1980, "they can't do all the other stuff" what is meant by that? This company doing the install are responsible for ensuring that the installation is safe and fit for use, can't honestly see the point of you putting a 16A CB in the fuseboardfor them to connect to, there are things to take into account, like install method, lenght of run, type of cable etc, sounds to me like they will blame you if the CB is wrongly sized like I said earlier the CB size will need to be considered when "they" come up with design for the circuit, who exactly are "they".
Will "they be certifying the installation? sounds iffy to me.

they are the ones who did a site visit said they wanted water bonding doing the 40amp feeding the garage off 2.5mm downgrading to 20amp and a 16amp available in the board to attach to.
They asked for a spare way as it is only a 2way board and they had no where to feed into so i pressume that they would provide the 16amp if i didnt
i was like you on why they cannot do the works it does seem strange but the client had a sheet showing all that they needed for them to install and the installer is a national charging point installer
my reason for putting this up was that some of the install is clearly new and clearly someone has bodged the original install

 

[Pete999]

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they are the ones who did a site visit said they wanted water bonding doing the 40amp feeding the garage off 2.5mm downgrading to 20amp and a 16amp available in the board to attach to.
They asked for a spare way as it is only a 2way board and they had no where to feed into so i pressume that they would provide the 16amp if i didn't
i was like you on why they cannot do the works it does seem strange but the client had a sheet showing all that they needed for them to install and the installer is a national charging point installer
my reason for putting this up was that some of the install is clearly new and clearly someone has bodged the original install

Mate, don't want to sound like a School Teacher, but your last post is very hard to understand, lack of punctuation makes it very hard to determine, what has been done, does this customer of your's give you much work? if no, then I would be inclined to walk, as all they are asking for is a replacement CB, hardly worth the bother in my book anyway.
The company in question, looks to me like they are employing robots to do the charging point install, asking for bonding etc, only goes to make .ny point a valid one.
You have to ask yourself, with all the work they require to be done before they turn up, do they know what they are doing, with your input to the installation, how will they be able to certify this install, like I said, if there is not much in it for you, then leave it alone, that's my opinion, others may disagree.

 

[Pete999]

they are the ones who did a site visit said they wanted water bonding doing the 40amp feeding the garage off 2.5mm downgrading to 20amp and a 16amp available in the board to attach to.
They asked for a spare way as it is only a 2way board and they had no where to feed into so i pressume that they would provide the 16amp if i didnt
i was like you on why they cannot do the works it does seem strange but the client had a sheet showing all that they needed for them to install and the installer is a national charging point installer
my reason for putting this up was that some of the install is clearly new and clearly someone has bodged the original install

Mate, don't want to sound like a School Teacher, but your last post is very hard to understand, lack of punctuation makes it very hard to determine, what has been done, does this customer of your's give you much work? if no, then I would be inclined to walk, as all they are asking for is a replacement CB, hardly worth the bother in my book anyway.
The company in question, looks to me like they are employing robtsto do the charging point,asking for bonding etc, only goes to make ny point a valid one.
You have to ask yourself, with all the work they require to be done before they turn up, do they know what they are doing, with your input to the installation, how will they be able to certify this install, like I said, if there is not much in it for you, then leave it alone, that's my opinion, others may disagree.

 

[newbie1980]

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Mate, don't want to sound like a School Teacher, but your last post is very hard to understand, lack of punctuation makes it very hard to determine, what has been done, does this customer of your's give you much work? if no, then I would be inclined to walk, as all they are asking for is a replacement CB, hardly worth the bother in my book anyway.
The company in question, looks to me like they are employing robots to do the charging point install, asking for bonding etc, only goes to make .ny point a valid one.
You have to ask yourself, with all the work they require to be done before they turn up, do they know what they are doing, with your input to the installation, how will they be able to certify this install, like I said, if there is not much in it for you, then leave it alone, that's my opinion, others may disagree.

It’s for the boss off a customer whom I do lots off work for.
I was hesitant why they cannot do the other works. And like you say they seem to be robots not electricians. I have the same with cooker installers from major retailers who are really just delivery boys who have been told it’s gotta be this way or refuse to install.
They have asked me to also do other works there at the property to feed a faulty pond and lighting with power they can put on a timer.
The property is a £2m manor and by looks of it the boss has had anyone do the works.
I have insisted if I do it I do it properly even if that means he has to have two patios lifting if I cannot find the existing swa run to the pond
Or it’s not the correct sizing.

 

[Pete999]

That's probably the reason his Gaff is worth 2 mil, if he gets every Bob the Builder doing carp jobs for him.

 

[telectrix]

That's probably the reason his Gaff is worth 2 mil, if he gets every Bob the Builder doing carp jobs for him.

pete, your cynicism is justified, but The Force is receiving negative waves. my beer is trembling from the aftershock.

 

[Pete999]

pete, your cynicism is justified, but The Force is receiving negative waves. my beer is trembling from the aftershock.

The young Jedi, has been sold a dud from the Dark side, me thinks Ob1.

 

[newbie1980]

That's probably the reason his Gaff is worth 2 mil, if he gets every Bob the Builder doing carp jobs for him.

yep but theres no way i will allow my name on anything thast not done properly

 

[Pete999]

yep but theres no way i will allow my name on anything thast not done properly

Good for you Mate

 

[Toneyz]

Got sent to a house today to remove a supply to a shed down the bottom of the garden...maybe 20m away from board. Went out the 32a breaker in 6mm t and e jointed under a floorboard to 2.5mm armoured,down a wall to the outside and then under the garden. Entered the shed through a drilled hole and the earth into the banjo is just wedged into the hole.
4 double sockets lighting circuit and not sure what the 16a inside was for. But there was a pond powered off it whether that was the plugged in or the 16a.
As you can imagine she wasnt best pleased when we told her we were disconnecting it and it had to go.

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[Toneyz]

This happens a lot especially in commercial jobs where specialist contractors come in to install items of equipment they will give you power rating and say they want an isolator at a certain position fed from a specified protective device, for example, a BMS panel lift supplies is another where they want the electrical contractor to do lift shaft lighting and power and a rotary isolator for the lift. In Newbie1980 case they specified an unused protective device in the local consumer unit.Their installers are only trained and insured to install a single circuit from a device to the equipment the company involved have sent out someone prior installation the existing is safe to install their equipment to ie complies with BS7671.