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The thing is cameron has had the rug pulled from under his feet as this was his plans to say as he is doing he will give us a choice the problem is its the wrong choices but he wont admit this, now all was cushy because it meant he could whip up support for the next election by bluffing this option for a referendum but the tide came in a little faster than he expected and the EU has announced exactly what it plans to do which would mean a big change to the EU and hes always promised a referendum if that was the case thus hes in a corner that if he gives the wrong referendum before his terms up he wont get another and if he dosn't give us the referendum to after the next election it will have dragged on too long and exposed him to again loose the next election.

Hence UKIP have put forward to join the tories in a coalition for the next term as the LIB dems are out of the race, Labour are still sinking and the increasing support for UKIP is putting them in a strong position to be able to sit back and watch cameron panic.... Nigel Farage (UKIP leader) has been sitting on the EU council for many years ripping into the un-elected greedy gravy train... belief it or not every member of the EU has had to make cuts and deal with the recession but they have announced theselves an inflation busting payrise again.

I side with different aspects of different parties unfortunately they all dont exist in one but a Conservative and UKIP coalition would be intersting to say the least as Farage said it wont happen without agreeing to an IN/OUT vote and at the moment the cards are stacked in his favour.

Alot of people are rallied into the toffs look after themselves issue with the conservatives but alot of this is media onslaught doing what they do best but il give him this he's stopping the better to be on benefits system and kids for benefits families and although they are doing spending cuts left right and centre they have been forced to just ask Gorden brown what he did with the nations pensions, Gold reserves as will as ramping up a trillion debt before they lost power.... IMHO anyone trying to turn the tide after the damage labour did to the economy will always look like the nasty ones.. even the electrical industry has seen salaries watered down college courses stripped down and simplified with thousands flooding the industry ill prepared compared to 30 yrs ago due to labours policies of kids of street into jobs.


I side with no party but do follow world politics and if the average joe only realised just what really goes on half of our goverments wouldnt ever see a vote, we supposedly live in a democratic society but thats just a cloak to make you think you make a difference by voting, it dosn't matter whose in the chair as long as we are part of the EU the goverment and its main policies are forced down onto them.... hence the EU is scared of UKIP getting a grip... if the UK left the EU the shockwave itself could trigger the collapse as confidence crashes in the financial markets.
 
in that case the quicker we get out the better,I,ve always said that as an island we are becoming the dumping ground for all europes trash,thats why they,re so keen on telling us how to treat our criminals.
 
I might just start a thread entitled the "benefits of the EU and the positive impact its had on the UK"

The input could be interesting..... going to do it now!
 
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about time they put a cap on benfits on the people who never worked a day in there life and just have loads of kids

10 yeasr to late i think
 
At the moment Phil the biggest rise in immigration is now the Spanish as they are deserting there jobless failed EU country... thing is we cant do anything about it and we have to pay for them both through the EU then again through the benefits systems and yes this applies to all EU immigration..... Borders UP! EU out, Our justice system back.... We are the laughing stock of the world ---10yrs to rid a terrorist because of his human rights under the EU; its just a joke!
 
About 15 years ago I said to a mate of mine that the whole EU will end in tears and one of the main causes would be the single currency. Hell of a lot of sense in that post Darkwood mate, fancy throwing your hat in the ring? :)
 
At the moment Phil the biggest rise in immigration is now the Spanish as they are deserting there jobless failed EU country

So true, was in a bar in Bowness in the Lake District over the summer and all the employee's were spanish.....literally the last place you'd expect too see them.
 
About 15 years ago I said to a mate of mine that the whole EU will end in tears and one of the main causes would be the single currency. Hell of a lot of sense in that post Darkwood mate, fancy throwing your hat in the ring? :)

Nice forsight but i never throw anything in my ring :whatchutalkingabout
 
Old Etonian Dave tried the same deflection tactic up here when he promised a referendum on Scottish independence....the same week the real issue was do we stay in the eu or not.the original premise of the eu as a free trade agreement was a sound one.unfortunately it has grown into such a monster that suits none of the member countries anymore,all it would take would be one member to vote to leave/default and the house of cards would indeed collapse.could be worse you could have president salmond running the show.standing on his new forth crossing vanity project with the roads done by an Irish contractor, German/Anglo partnership building it ,made with Chinese steel.wtf is that all about.
the dead kennedys California ĂĽber alles was written for him I'm sure.
the main problem with politics throughout the world is that it's all short term thinking ,none of them think past 5 years and if they make an arse of it someone else will have to sort it out.looks like its gonna stay that way.
 

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