Can anyone explain how Klik's work?

[BiddeldyBwah]

I'm working with these at work at the minute and they really confuse me. Unfortunately everyone is too busy to take the time to explain them properly so i'm left guessing.

We have a 4 core YY coming from the board (which i've not seen), feeding a row of lights that is a mixture of emergency and regular industrial LED downlights about 10 inches in diameter, all lights are on PIR's.

I know how to wire it up to get what we want but don't understand how it's all working.

The normal clicks are L N E and Loop and the wiring is 1 in Live, 2 in N, 3 in Loop and E in E. One cable in, one out to the next light.

When we come to the emergencies, the number 3 wire in Loop gets put into the Aux.

What i don't get is how the board is feeding it all and what the Aux actually does.

Is it that the L goes through the plug, into the PIR which then switches on, connecting the L and Aux together?

If you look at a Klik wiring diagram it shows live into loop, and then out of loop into a switch before being wired into the L terminal.

Confused.

 

[Eddy Currents]

Just imagine the PIR as a switch (with a neutral), permanent live in, SW live out but the PIR does the switching on detection instead of a manual switch

 

[westward10]

Assuming the cable to the motion sensor has a cpc then you have a four core cable, permanent live, switch live return, neutral and cpc. The permanent live is also utilised for the em lighting at the Klix marshalling box.

 

[Eddy Currents]

I get all the rest of it but not this bit. The actual klik rose box (not the klik plug) is wired with an L from the DB which is permanently live, so how does the PIR only make it live when it's activated?

We've got 1, 2, 3 and E. 1 and 3 are live, 2 is neutral.

1 always goes in L from the DB but 3 goes in Loop if it's a normal light and A if it's emergency.

I understand how the wiring goes i just don't understand how the PIR works.

This doesn't sound right

Feed L from DB should go in A for emergency klik or Loop for a normal
You can wire the other way around as long as the plugs are also wired the same but you say other kliks are right

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

This doesn't sound right

Feed L from DB should go in A for emergency klik or Loop for a normal
You can wire the other way around as long as the plugs are also wired the same but you say other kliks are right

Sorry i meant the wire that goes in L on the klik is live all the time but it goes through a bank of emergency key switches next to the DB which are on all the time so it's essentially it's a permanent live.

 

[westward10]

When you say live all the time at the Klix is this the marshalling box where all the plugs are.

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

When you say live all the time at the Klix is this the marshalling box where all the plugs are.

Nah there isn't one these are individual kliks.

They are on emergency key switches which i presume is fed from the db and then the 'switch live' L goes from there to the klik, and the perma live is linked through and goes into Loop.

 

[Eddy Currents]

If that is the case then either you are mistaken or it is wired incorrectly or intentionally changed to always be on

It should go from MCB to keyswitch to Loop in standard klik or A in emergency

Your extra cable at the keyswitches is not required but probably a conversion from Switch / Keyswitch to Keyswitch / PIR which might have been done wrong

Maybe a stupid question but do the PIRs work? Have you seen them switching?

 

[BiddeldyBwah]

If that is the case then either you are mistaken or it is wired incorrectly or intentionally changed to always be on

It should go from MCB to keyswitch to Loop in standard klik or A in emergency

Your extra cable at the keyswitches is not required but probably a conversion from Switch / Keyswitch to Keyswitch / PIR which might have been done wrong

Maybe a stupid question but do the PIRs work? Have you seen them switching?

Yeah they all work.

I'm probably mistaken somewhere but what i know for sure is the klik feed is in 4 core YY; 1 and 2 are L and N, 3 is Loop unless in an emergency light then it's in A.

I saw the lads operate the keyswitches to test them and they all turned on and then worked on their PIR's.

I've not seen the DB wiring but i'm presuming since it's 4 core that the grid switch with the keyswitches is fed in T+E from DB and the 4 core comes out the other side and feeds the kliks?

 

[westward10]

You need to do a line diagram ignoring the fact Klix plugs are involved. Ignore neutrals and cpcs as these will be common anyway. Ask yourself why there are two lines and how they are incorporated into the circuit.

 

[rewireIT]

Would this not just be

3 goes from breaker into keyswitch, out of keyswitch to loop/A depending on what kind of light.
1 goes from breaker into L, and via the klik plug from L to PIR. When PIR senses movement, it switches the light on.

?