can anyone help

[cspark]

hi guys, i did oridginaly post this on someones thread but i dont think it will get any attention there. i know there are similar questions that have been posted but not quite like my case. i have a question that i hope you more experienced electricians could help me with. basicaly im just finished with college iv got certificates in level 1, 2 and 3. supposedly now im ment to find an electrician to take me on but iv done a lot of electrical work for people and done loads with my uncle unofficially (he used to be an electrician) i would like to go it on my own just doing domestic work maybe with a mate, but i need to know what i will need to do or get to make this offical. all help will be much appresheated. please be as detailed as you like. i cant thank you enough.

 

[Modernelectric]

17th edition, 2330, part p membership,

tools, test equipment, transport, insurance, register self employed.

 

[cspark]

thankyou very much for your reply

 

[Modernelectric]

does that answer your question or do you need any more info? one of the main things you need is customers!

 

[Des 56]

but i need to know what i will need to do or get to make this offical. all help will be much appresheated. please be as detailed as you like. i cant thank you enough.

You need nothing whatsoever to make the work you do official
There are procedures that you should follow when doing installation work
You can register with a scheme like niceic or napit or elecsa that permit you to self certificate that your work complies with building regulations or
You can do the work after first informing BC that the work is to take place and pay a fee for them to be responsible for inspection and signing off any of your work
Not all domestic work needs that approval trhough
Any work you do whatever route you take should be accompanied by certification for that work that you provide

If you decide to join a scheme,then that scheme will assess whether you are competent and require you to have the minimum qualifications and an assessment
It should be very easy to join these schemes because the entry level is set very low
They vary with their entry requirements,the niceic requiring very little in the way of qualifications

The other route is to ignore all this regulation and ignore the requirements because they are not enforced and nobody would question you if you installed to BS7671 anyway
Many sparks ignored it and more are dissillusioned with it all
If you can get the customers and you can do a safe install,then just get on with it
The tax authorities are the ones not cross

 

[flukey]

The other route is to ignore all this regulation and ignore the requirements because they are not enforced and nobody would question you if you installed to BS7671 anyway
Many sparks ignored it and more are dissillusioned with it all
If you can get the customers and you can do a safe install,then just get on with it
The tax authorities are the ones not cross

thats assuming he can find customers who are happy with not receiving a building notice confirming the work meets current requirements. could be very problematic should they decide to sell up

 

[Modernelectric]

I think Des56 is the one becoming disillusioned with it. I dont think you should be advising people to break the law. cheer up mate

 

[Des 56]

I think Des56 is the one becoming disillusioned with it. I dont think you should be advising people to break the law. cheer up mate

I m not becoming disillusioned with it
I have never thought of it as helpfull to the industry in any way whatsoever
It was implemented by people who had and still have no idea whatsoever of the structure and nature of the spark The sooner this nonesense is repeeled the better

I am not against regulation of installs or who actually does the installing,but they should think it through and think about what the real world situation is before making these ludicrous rules

I am a member of a scheme and remain so because I cant be arsed to drop it
I have a few spark mates who have completely disregarded this Labc thing and have never followed any of its rules
They have had no problems or costs associated with these rules since day 1

I dont think its fair to say that the advise is to break the law
I know technically that he would be doing so,but please agree that the law is totally ignored or not understood by those who's job it should be to not only abide by,but enforce it. building control, in the vast majority of areas it is neither wanted or implemented and mostly ignored by them
So yes breaking a law that is not enforceable
Imagine in your wildest dreams being taken to court, because the first class job that you did,which abided absolutely with BS 7671 Your misdemeanour the judge would hear was that you didn't notify Labc of a job that they ignore ,the public know nothing about
He would throw it out and demand his time should not be wasted for such things

 

[Modernelectric]

I dont quite know what to say

I can only agree that part p is not enforced properly and say that very little is done to make customers aware that there are strict regulations regarding electrical work in domestic situations.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

I dont quite know what to say

I can only agree that part p is not enforced properly and say that very little is done to make customers aware that there are strict regulations regarding electrical work in domestic situations.

Until something goes wrong, theres a lot of fines etc being dealt out, and quite a few building insurance policys not paying out. There are pros and cons to towing the line or not. Part P wont go away i`d rather tow the line and sleep at night, like yourself.

 

[flukey]

we all know what your saying Des but we all have to toe the line if we are responsible sparks

your mates might be the ones that wired a kitchen extension i went to recently. no certificate issued and labc would only sign off once cables had been exposed again and zones etc proved

your mates might be long gone but the customer was seriously ****ed off with all the hassle and remedial works that followed

i dont agree with part p but my customers will never feel that way about me or my work

 

[Des 56]

The mates I refered to are 1st class sparks who certificate and pay tax etc
They take no part and intend to take no part in the ignored nonesense
One of them was actually in a scheme and decided enough was enough

I have even questioned Labc guys myself and asked what happens when they recieve a certificate and how do they know or check if that certificate was from someone registered
It slightly confuses most of them,because they are ignorant of what is actually needed and know not why or what they should do anyway. 100%of thime they do not consider any of the questions

Even in areas where the unlikely happens and work is done that should have gone through the channels
The Labcs will almost certainly sign off any installation if a pir is then produced
Wrong I know but reality
I am surprised that any Labc has asked for routes to be exposed but I suppose with most nonesense legistlation,there will always be some very officious personel somewheres
The reality is that even Labcs consider it unworkable and most just accept whatever they believe covers their rear right or wrong

 

[flukey]

The mates I refered to are 1st class sparks who certificate and pay tax etc
They take no part and intend to take no part in the ignored nonesense
One of them was actually in a scheme and decided enough was enough

I have even questioned Labc guys myself and asked what happens when they recieve a certificate and how do they know or check if that certificate was from someone registered
It slightly confuses most of them,because they are ignorant of what is actually needed and know not why or what they should do anyway. 100%of thime they do not consider any of the questions

Even in areas where the unlikely happens and work is done that should have gone through the channels
The Labcs will almost certainly sign off any installation if a pir is then produced
Wrong I know but reality
I am surprised that any Labc has asked for routes to be exposed but I suppose with most nonesense legistlation,there will always be some very officious personel somewheres
The reality is that even Labcs consider it unworkable and most just accept whatever they believe covers their rear right or wrong

must be different from area to area then as my local labc wont accept a pir when an eic should have been issued

 

[Des 56]

Horses for courses I suppose

You never now this part p thing may eventually catch on with the masses ,but it will be insurance driven not government if it ever does so
It definitely needs a major rethink throughout its entireity

 

[saveloy]

I have to say that I agree totally with Des's setiments. I am a member of a registerd scheme. But IMO the whole Part P is fubar. Every customer, bar one, I have dealt with have'nt got a clue about Part P.
LABC in my area are useless with it's implication as well.At least 2 jobs that I have submitted through my scheme provider have not been acknowledged by LABC. I know this for a fact as I have had to send copies of the Part P cert and my EIC to them in order that they will issue a completion cert for the extensions that they relate too.
When I spoke to my scheme provider, they assured me that they had notified the LABC, so I can only assume that the LABC are not taking a blind bit of notice of the notifications.
Good luck to your mates Des, Part P is ####.

I will still continue to register because I believe in doing things right and that my customers deserve to recieve the service that they are paying for. But I can't wait to see the back of it (if it ever happens). Biggest load of rubbish ever devised. (rant over)