Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and 2391

[parker56]

Re: Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and

don't think he needs a pill,its been made very clear.

 

[Barneyb57]

Re: Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and

don't think he needs a pill,its been made very clear.

Well no it hasnt been made very clear,, thats the whole point....anyway dont bother yourselves with it,,,seems most are missing the point..

 

[Adam W]

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In what way have you deemed yourself "Part P Competent/Compliant"?

The simple answer is no, you don't need to be a scheme member, you could notify every notifiable job directly to LABC.
Or you could do it without either, although then you wouldn't be complying with part P.

That isn't an "OFFICIAL" answer, and you won't get one from an internet forum however many times you ask for one. The most you'll get is a discussion.

 

[ackbarthestar]

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Nothing like a bun fight (discussion)

Approved document P relates to Building control and domestic premises. Because this is legislation you will need to follow the rules created by the Building control regulations. Approved document P is given for guidance.

You don't need any particular qualification to do PIRs/EICRs. But you need to be competent and you do need PI insurance.

Now how your insurance company assesses your competence will be up to the insurance company.

It was a lot more simple when everybody had to achieve a 5 year apprenticeship and then show evidence of working in the industry before achieving a level of recognised competence.

 

[trev]

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If you're employed by a company and a sent to carry out an I&T on anything or any kind of install you would sign the certificate as the installer or tester. The cert would then be countersigned by your company's qualified supervisor.
If self employed you would sign off certificates covering the work you carry out. If this work falls under the notifiable category for domestic work you would either be a scheme member and notify via their system or you would pay a fee to LABC who would/should carry out a first fix inspection then issue a completion cert after receiving your cert and SOTR etc.
Hope this answers mate.

 

[Guest55]

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Here is the official Electricians forum answer to the ultimate question of life.the universe and everything


The official answer is




42

Part P is the sort of thing the vogons would invent lol , tediously officious.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

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I am far from needing an attitude pill.

I thought I was trying to get my messages clear and to the point as you admit to not reading all threads!!

You wrote the following "

I do know what PART P is I am Part P Competent/Compliant call it what you will.
The point I am trying to make by asking "​

How are you Part P competent/compliant?" is that if YOU know the reason why YOU are classed as competent, then YOU have YOUR answer.
Maybe I should have written "How do YOU know that YOU Barneyb57 is Competent?"
If you can answer that, you have your answer.

Give your local building control a ring or visit to get your official answer.

 

[lloyd1980]

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Barneyb57
this is my understanding.
I am fully qualified, 2391 , nvq , 2330 etc.
if you are doing commercial work then labc doesn't come into it, you can issue a generic cert without being a member of a scam.

Domestically is where they brought part p in, IMO to keep a tab on tradesmen working for cash brought in under a safety umbrella as they realised how much tax they were missing out on.

As far as the scams if you join these then in my experience they will want you to have the 2391, the NIC did when I joined, cant remember if they wanted any other quals but seem to remember the 2391 being a requirement.

Any electrical work that's notify able (most in a dwelling) (I'm sure they would make a lamp change notify able if they could!) must be registered with labc, and you know the rules on how to do this reading from previous posts.

I feel for you in regards to the frustration, this forum is an amazing thing to have in your knowledge arsenal there are so many very knowledgeable and helpful people on here who can offer advice on many things your unsure of, dodgy faults that have you racking your brains to wiring insane heating joints, I can't speak highly enough, but at the same time there are plenty of egos on here who like nothing more than to pick people apart for a genuine question.

Cue these people to start scoffing and replying to this but it's how it is.
as electricians we all sometimes suffer from inflated egos myself included, we should just concentrate on helping each other, you are obviously competent and know your stuff and it's a genuine question so I hope this helps.

All the best mate

 

[Barneyb57]

Re: Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and

Barneyb57
this is my understanding.
I am fully qualified, 2391 , nvq , 2330 etc.
if you are doing commercial work then labc doesn't come into it, you can issue a generic cert without being a member of a scam.

Domestically is where they brought part p in, IMO to keep a tab on tradesmen working for cash brought in under a safety umbrella as they realised how much tax they were missing out on.

As far as the scams if you join these then in my experience they will want you to have the 2391, the NIC did when I joined, cant remember if they wanted any other quals but seem to remember the 2391 being a requirement.

Any electrical work that's notify able (most in a dwelling) (I'm sure they would make a lamp change notify able if they could!) must be registered with labc, and you know the rules on how to do this reading from previous posts.

I feel for you in regards to the frustration, this forum is an amazing thing to have in your knowledge arsenal there are so many very knowledgeable and helpful people on here who can offer advice on many things your unsure of, dodgy faults that have you racking your brains to wiring insane heating joints, I can't speak highly enough, but at the same time there are plenty of egos on here who like nothing more than to pick people apart for a genuine question.

Cue these people to start scoffing and replying to this but it's how it is.
as electricians we all sometimes suffer from inflated egos myself included, we should just concentrate on helping each other, you are obviously competent and know your stuff and it's a genuine question so I hope this helps.

All the best mate

Thank you for your understanding of my question and why Im asking it,,,and also thank you for a mature grown up and sensible answer/reply,,,which is all I was asking for....thank you and all the best to you Appreciated...

 

[HandySparks]

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You don't need any particular qualification to do PIRs/EICRs. But you need to be competent and you do need PI insurance.

I'd say that you don't NEED PI insurance, although you may choose to pay for it:
http://www.electriciansforums.net/i...demnity-insurance-pirs-eicrs-waste-money.html

 

[Current Affairs]

Re: Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and

Can we get a firm answer and decision on this beacause as I read through this forum I become more and more confused,,,on all the courses I have just done which includes Part P and 2391 Inspection,Test and Certification,,,we were told that you must be registered with one of the schemes to sign off work your own or other peoples and issue a Certificate,,,,,The rules say you must be a competent Person??? So what is the real and actual take on this,,,,because I see quite a few people on here who reckon YOU DO NOT need to be registered with NICEIC, NAPIT or ECA etc, etc, to sign off work and issue a Certificate, AND IS THE 2391 A DEFINATE MUST HAVE???
Can we have an Official ANSWER on this.........Thank you............Signed Confused.com

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The firm answer is a clear NO. You do not need to be registered with NAPIT, NICEIC, BSI etch or do you require any qualifications. Any diyer can notify direct to their local building control.

The confusion, I believe is generated from the schemes as they want us all to join them and pay them their fees
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[DurhamSparky]

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Just goes to show that in your 5 weeks they can teach you to do Part P, Inspection and testing, Basic Wiring but cant grasp the difference between a certificate and a report...........

Certificate been in the form of a EIC or a MWC
Report been in the form of a EICR

2 totally different kettle of fish!

oh the joys.!

 

[richy3333]

Re: Can we get an Official answer on this,,Inspection,Testing and Certification and

Here is the official Electricians forum answer to the ultimate question of life.the universe and everything


The official answer is




42

Soory, but in the realms of electrcial work the offical answer is

42 ohms