Can you just tidy my panel up a bit!!!!

[GMES]

Got asked if I could just tidy up a customers panel up a bit, he said his previous guy used to be able to get the Machine running all the time but wasn't the tidiest of guys.

within 2 minutes of looking at this mess I had cost the customer quite a lot of money.

The isolator you see does not work, so the isolator get switched on with a spanner or grips then the door is closed
All the terminals are exposed to touch, due to above line, so obviously can't be isolated before opening the door
terminal covers missing anyway as you can see
wires just thrown from one contactor to another, without taking it through the trunking
Loads of Ip issues due to holes all over the panel
Plus many many more issues

 

[1stfix2ndfix]

Can I be you apprentice on this GMES. Can u talk me through what you end up doing and why you've done it maybee with pictures. It's a big ask but I you don't ask you don't get. It looks interesting but I doubt I'll ever get to come across it. Fingers crossed

 

[netblindpaul]

Just make sure that if you build a new panel, or do any work on the panel, in the same way that you "must" design and construct the rewire or modifications of the wiring in a house to the current version of BS7671, that the control system for the machine is designed and constructed, modifications or new, to the current versions of the relevant standards, else if something goes wrong, you will end up on the wrong end of an HM HSE investigation.
By the way, if you don't have copies of the standards, then again you would find HM HSE quite forthright in their opinions from my meetings with them.

 

[Bobster]

Just make sure that if you build a new panel, or do any work on the panel, in the same way that you "must" design and construct the rewire or modifications of the wiring in a house to the current version of BS7671, that the control system for the machine is designed and constructed, modifications or new, to the current versions of the relevant standards, else if something goes wrong, you will end up on the wrong end of an HM HSE investigation.
By the way, if you don't have copies of the standards, then again you would find HM HSE quite forthright in their opinions from my meetings with them.

I think you mean BS EN 60204.

If anything, nothing within the panel will fall under BS 7671

 

[Richard Burns]

I think you mean BS EN 60204.

If anything, nothing within the panel will fall under BS 7671

Read the post again?

 

[Bobster]

Read the post again?

Yep another reason I shouldn't skim read posts.

 

[Besoeker]

Also Rob what Annoys me, is it is not hard to do it right the 1st time around correctly.

It looks as if it might have been done right the first time.
Trunking, terminals, wire numbers, an earth bar....
It looks to me like it has been extensively modified/bodged over probably a period of years.

 

[netblindpaul]

I think you mean BS EN 60204.

If anything, nothing within the panel will fall under BS 7671

As GMES has suggested, my post did not refer to 7671, however, 60204 is not the end of it either, there are possibly a dozen other standards, and some statute laws that must be met also.

 

[Silly Sausage]

As GMES has suggested, my post did not refer to 7671, however, 60204 is not the end of it either, there are possibly a dozen other standards, and some statute laws that must be met also.

Fix the broken bits, a few extra bits of trunking, stretch the wires in, test, it passes.

 

[netblindpaul]

Fix the broken bits, a few extra bits of trunking, stretch the wires in, test, it passes.

Passes what?
Or are you taking the mick out of me?

 

[GMES]

Fix the broken bits, a few extra bits of trunking, stretch the wires in, test, it passes.

Think that may be it to be honest Archy. The panel works perfectly well, my 1st main job is to replace the isolator, then as you say tidy wiring up , get some lidding, hoover out .

 

[Silly Sausage]

Passes what?
Or are you taking the mick out of me?

Functionality.

I don't take the proverbial.

 

[Bobster]

As GMES has suggested, my post did not refer to 7671, however, 60204 is not the end of it either, there are possibly a dozen other standards, and some statute laws that must be met also.

Yes I realised once I re read your post.

 

[OhmElectrical]

Lol welcome to the snakes wedding served my time on stuff like that ok if you get the time figure out what goes where but sometimes easy to start again good luck on faults with that !!!!