Cctv.

[Farmelectrics]

Mods I have asked this before can you give me access to the alarm section please . Been wanting to install a cctv system to my house for a while now and today after another break in local to me I'm taking a trip to the
ocal wholesalers to get a basic cctv kit and install it myself not done one before I'm sure there easy enough to do but any advice would be welcomed cable type etc and type of kit thanks in advance anything to deter these scum bags

 

[Spoon]

Hi mate. What kit are you thinking of getting? What features do you want? How many cameras are you looking at? What price range are you looking at?
The answer to these should give the guys here a better idea of what you want.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Thanks spoon not sure if I'm honest 2 cameras one front and back.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Might call in to mas alarms near me and get a booklet what would you suggest nothing over the top basic cctv with 2 cameras possibly one for the side as well so maybe 3

 

[Spoon]

Honest mate, I've never messed around with the cameras. I just always go and check out the cctv section in CPC whenever I'm waiting to pick something up. You better wait for the professionals (I don't mean Bodie & Doyle) to answer back.

 

[Octopus]

Best to look at kits and online retail specialists.

I have done a few but in each case the customer has selected the kit, cameras and the relevant extension cables. On top of that allow for a wiska box at each camera so the power and signal connections are kept in the dry. Also make sure the kit has a screen or the client had a spare screen.

 

[telectrix]

maplins do a kit. 2 or 4 cameras with dvr. it's all plug and play, but as murdoch says --- a wiska box by each cameras to protect the plug/socket connections.

 

[Spoon]

I have always wondered how good these kits are. Some of the cameras they have at CPC give out a rubbish picture. Usually the cheater ones of course. If you are using the kit just as a deterrent then it may not bother about the picture quality.

 

[tazz]

All down to cost...basic camera quality is measured in tvl, the higher the tvl the better the image. Most decent camera are around 700tvl.......high range cameras are HD but measured in pixels again 2 qualities 740 x 420 lower end or 1080 x 640 high end.
Hd is of course the best quality, and gives more detail such as reg plates, names on shirts, hat etc, which would be blurred on a analogue system.

 

[UNG]

What is your reason for having / wanting cctv and what are you expecting from any recorded pictures

From the system you are specifying it sounds like you are looking for a system that gives very general surveillance which will show people intruding on your property but may not give enough to identify them

When considering cameras and camera positions you need to consider the focal length which will dictate the field of view you get some cameras are fixed focal length but some do have a variable focal length that can be adjusted on site to optimise the field of view. Having done quite a bit of CCTV over the last 25 years I have a focal length finder that allows me to demonstrate to customers what they can expect but I'm sure there must an app out there these days

I'm looking at a job over your side of the water at the moment for a family friend and that looks like it is going to be an 8 camera system to cover what he wants to see, the property is a reasonably sized old detached property but has a few areas where intruders could hide unobserved and some blind spots that need to be covered hence the number of cameras

The recording capacity is another one to consider a lot of people want 1080p pictures without looking at how much more disc space is needed over a 720p system for a 30 day record capacity

Hope this helps

 

[ian.settle1]

Might call in to mas alarms near me and get a booklet what would you suggest nothing over the top basic cctv with 2 cameras possibly one for the side as well so maybe 3

MAS do not seem to have the stock they used to have going by their website.

 

[ruston]

What is your reason for having / wanting cctv and what are you expecting from any recorded pictures

From the system you are specifying it sounds like you are looking for a system that gives very general surveillance which will show people intruding on your property but may not give enough to identify them

When considering cameras and camera positions you need to consider the focal length which will dictate the field of view you get some cameras are fixed focal length but some do have a variable focal length that can be adjusted on site to optimise the field of view. Having done quite a bit of CCTV over the last 25 years I have a focal length finder that allows me to demonstrate to customers what they can expect but I'm sure there must an app out there these days

I'm looking at a job over your side of the water at the moment for a family friend and that looks like it is going to be an 8 camera system to cover what he wants to see, the property is a reasonably sized old detached property but has a few areas where intruders could hide unobserved and some blind spots that need to be covered hence the number of cameras

The recording capacity is another one to consider a lot of people want 1080p pictures without looking at how much more disc space is needed over a 720p system for a 30 day record capacity

Hope this helps

Can you get them with good quality fast lenses , or are they all digitally enhanced ?

 

[newtothis]

I was researching into this a couple of months back. Seems to me 90% of what’s currently on the market is old hat.

Min you might want in the domestic situ (just my humble opinion)

External IP camera with recording to your NAS drive. Or options.
App for receiving alerts on your devices (like your phone) when the something/one trips the sensor.
Programmable as to what it does when it’s tripped eg record for specified mins take a photo etc etc. monitoring on all connected devices
IR LEDS

Posh Options: pan and tilt from your phone or other connected device.
Mic for 2 way audio, apparently this technology is still a bit hit and miss on realistically priced options.

I was going to go for hard wired in cat 5e or 6 from POE switch then a mate, told me voltage drop is a major concern anything over 2-3mtrs and you forget about pan & tilt over it.

Be interested to hear if someone has this kind of setup be interested in brands model nos and prices.

 

[DPG]

The pan and tilt from your phone is all well and good if you are aware of the intruder and can follow him round. This may be the case if you get an email alert fairly sharpish and respond to it quickly, but seems fairly unlikely to me.

Also, when looking at low light visibility distance then at least half whatever distance figure they say on the leaflets, as they are very optimistic with their estimates!

Daz

 

[newtothis]

What made me mothball this project was privacy concerns, didn’t want the neighbours accusing me of invasion of their privacy.
reason going hard wired apart form speed- it used to be relatively easy to hack wireless when I was WEP dunno how hard it is now.

 

[newtothis]

The pan and tilt from your phone is all well and good if you are aware of the intruder and can follow him round. This may be the case if you get an email alert fairly sharpish and respond to it quickly, but seems fairly unlikely to me.

Also, when looking at low light visibility distance then at least half whatever distance figure they say on the leaflets, as they are very optimistic with their estimates!

Daz

Very much agree with that, makes buying electronic kit very time consuming. You need to see stuff "in the flesh" working.

 

[Spoon]

That's why I like going to CPC. Their cctv section shows a section of the cameras working and you can ask to see any other working.

 

[ruston]

Very much agree with that, makes buying electronic kit very time consuming. You need to see stuff "in the flesh" working.

That's the problem. The few I have fitted in the distant past, even the branded names have been a disappointment . They worked ok, but did not come up to what I expected . That is why I asked about the quality of lenses now.

 

[DPG]

If people want to try and hack into your wireless system and watch camera footage of your drive then good luck to them! Lol. Daz

 

[Spoon]

If people want to try and hack into your wireless system and watch camera footage of your drive then good luck to them! Lol. Daz

all depends on which camera you want to hack. There might be one covering the back garden where the women like to sunbath.... Not that I would dream of doing such a thing.....

 

[newtothis]

That's why I like going to CPC. Their cctv section shows a section of the cameras working and you can ask to see any other working.

Yes good to see them working and establish whether their setup is super optiminal or not and factor that against you install condtions. Still leaves you winging it a little on reliablitly - LOL it has to be said Im a a dyed in the wool Pessimist

 

[newtothis]

That's the problem. The few I have fitted in the distant past, even the branded names have been a disappointment . They worked ok, but did not come up to what I expected . That is why I asked about the quality of lenses now.

I would just assume your not going to get HQ fast optics in a unit costing 1 or 2 hundred quid.
It's advances in on chip ISO that will get you reasonable results in low light.

 

[newtothis]

If people want to try and hack into your wireless system and watch camera footage of your drive then good luck to them! Lol. Daz

Daz If some "ner do well" can hack your wireless they can see your non-encrypted comms via wirless divices V easy.
I've see it done with my own eyes - purely for an acadamic excercise. I'm not a badman

 

[DPG]

Daz If some "ner do well" can hack your wireless they can see your non-encrypted comms via wirless divices V easy.
I've see it done with my own eyes - purely for an acadamic excercise. I'm not a badman

Yes I know it can be done. The point I was making is that all they will see is a static image of my drive Daz

 

[YoungBart]

I've recently installed 2 CCTV Systems from Sancce (Bought off Amazon) When I first saw the instructions that look like they're a literal translation from Chinese I was worried, However they are really easy to install, Literally plug and play style, And they give a very good picture IMO, Ok probably not good enough for a commercial property but for outside a house then they're very good, The first one I installed has been going 6 months no problem now, I'd definitely recommend them for a cheap, easy alternative.

 

[telectrix]

all depends on which camera you want to hack. There might be one covering the back garden where the women like to sunbath.... Not that I would dream of doing such a thing.....

don't blame you. you'd not catch me sunbathing in this weather either.

 

[Spoon]

don't blame you. you'd not catch me sunbathing in this weather either.

Only lasses from Newcastle would be brave enough to sunbath in this weather...

 

[joehat]

Amazon do floureon for about £150 4 cameras and Dvr with 1tb hard drive and 1200-1500 TVl anything less than 1200 TVl are rubbish even 1000 arnt that good so can't imagine 700t

 

[joehat]

Night vision and I get a wireless adaptor so my customers can see it on their phones too. That bit gets abit tricker though

 

[newtothis]

Night vision and I get a wireless adaptor so my customers can see it on their phones too. That bit gets abit tricker though

[FONT=&amp]For access via connected devices a wirless adapter isn’t a requirement it’s nomally just a DDNS service or if you have a static IP address it’s just a case of configuring you router, kinda similar to how you would for an application like a webserver. [/FONT]

 

[UNG]

[FONT=&amp]For access via connected devices a wirless adapter isn’t a requirement it’s nomally just a DDNS service or if you have a static IP address it’s just a case of configuring you router, kinda similar to how you would for an application like a webserver. [/FONT]

If he cannot be bothered to run a cat 5 / 6 to the router then a wireless adapter is needed to connect to the local network

 

[newtothis]

Yes sorry, I didn't mean to sound like I was contradicting.

 

[newtothis]

I thought you meant access by smartphon over WAN rather than LAN :icon6:

 

[joehat]

[FONT=&amp]For access via connected devices a wirless adapter isn’t a requirement it’s nomally just a DDNS service or if you have a static IP address it’s just a case of configuring you router, kinda similar to how you would for an application like a webserver. [/FONT]

I always put in loft so if a break in occurs this is the safest place for the unit to be, and usually connect to upstairs tv I use a tp link to connect to router

 

[UNG]

I thought you meant access by smartphon over WAN rather than LAN :icon6:

What difference would it make whether you connect via a Wide Area Network or a Local Area Network if the DVR isn't connected to your network by a cable then you would need a wireless access point connected to the DVR for it to access your network and the internet

 

[newtothis]

I follow you you’re saying those DVR units can be connected wirelessly to the LAN, I honestly didn’t know that.
Yes see your point if it not connected – no access – no difference.


As I said earlier in this thread I’ve researched CCTV haven’t bought the gear or implemented it.
I’d be using my NAS with software. I’ve spent out money on gigabit everything, I don’t like wireless. Primarily for speed stability and other reasons. I know it’s getting better and it’s much more convenient to install, it’s not there yet.
[FONT=&amp]I’ve got 3 WAPs for phone and tablets, so I’m not a complete ludite were wireless is concerned. [/FONT]

 

[DPG]

I prefer a self contained unit rather than sharing my NAS. Don't like the idea of it constantly hammering away recording - more risk to other data - and should really be kept on a separate drive. Daz

 

[newtothis]

I always put in loft so if a break in occurs this is the safest place for the unit to be, and usually connect to upstairs tv I use a tp link to connect to router

Makes sense, thanks for that, it's a facinating topic so much to consider.

 

[newtothis]

I prefer a self contained unit rather than sharing my NAS. Don't like the idea of it constantly hammering away recording - more risk to other data - and should really be kept on a separate drive. Daz

I thought they didn't record until they were tripped and they could learn to ignore ambient movement like trees on a windy day ? Being serious BTW is this not true ?

 

[DPG]

I thought they didn't record until they were tripped and they could learn to ignore ambient movement like trees on a windy day ? Being serious BTW is this not true ?

They can be set up for this yes - I didn't have much success with the one I tried though. I leave mine constantly recording - no risk of missing anything, and you don't miss the first few seconds. Daz