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Hi am I right in thinking that I can replace a light fitting without the need for a minor works certificate or any testing that needs certification?
 
Thank you, been having this discussion/argument with a colleague who was supposedly told this at his 17th edition update course by the lecturer.........I showed him the regs as well!
 
And also would I be right in saying that to test an install and sign it off you don't actually have to be qualified but competent? I know some companies/sites won't accept this unless you have passed 2391/2395 but it isn't actually a regulation say, it just goes toward being competent?
 
hi, a minor works certificate is for an addition or alteration to an existing installation.personally i would complete a minor works,after all it, is an alteration.. (taking the old fitting down and replacing it) and its always good practice to know that the installation is safe and sound, no harm in dedicating a little time with a tester.
 
Your not changing the installation/circuit, your re-newing/changing an accessory.

Long as the new accessory does not require more load than the original and that you have checked to see if the circuit in question is still fit for use and you have checked the bonding on the house then no need to cert.
 
Thanks guys, I agree that testing the circuit to make sure it is sound is generally good practice but was just making sure that certification wasn't required, thanks!
 
Our client has requested we fill in a minor work for every new light fitting and also if replacing a socket. This is not in the regs but that is what they have requested so we must do it
 
Where I work, we ask for all accessory changes to be recorded on a minor works, so there is a record of the repair and proof tests following a repair / accessory change has taken place.
 
GN3 state's that...Minor works is intended for such work as the addition of a socket-outlet or lighting point to an existing circuit, or for repair or modification.

Technically you are supposed to issue a MW for the change of a light - however you can't take everything in GN3, BS7671, OSG, health & safety ect... as gospel.

Obviouslly some posts above contradict this but hardly anyone will issue a MW for a like-for-like replacement - i know i definitley won't. Agree with testing the circuit to an extent if it looks terrible but if not, a tenner in the back pocket cash in hand cya later. Maybe incorrect me saying that, and some might disagree but that's how 95% of sparks work when it comes to replacing like for like.

If the client demands for a MW then that's a different matter.
 
So you do an IR test etc then?
hi, a minor works certificate is for an addition or alteration to an existing installation.personally i would complete a minor works,after all it, is an alteration.. (taking the old fitting down and replacing it) and its always good practice to know that the installation is safe and sound, no harm in dedicating a little time with a tester.
 
If it's "like for like" there is no need for an Electrical installation certificate of any kind. Assuming its a domestic install, Part P of the building regulations covers this matter.
 
Hodge i think your statement is somewhat untrue.

Commonsense should prevail, if the reason for the like-for-like replacement is that something had burnt...then id issue a MW.

But in general i agree with you. #11 (my previous post) is where i stand on the matter.
 

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