Certification for replacement of light fitting????

[HODGE2330ATM]

Yes, you are correct. Perhaps from now on I should only come on here for advice and not to dictate haha

 

[markc123]

I wasn't having a pop lol. Just throwing my tupence worth in

Dictate all you want my friend

 

[NickD]

Looking at the wider picture as opposed just Regs/OSG/GN3 etc...if you fit but do not test-and-MWC it, and then the house burns down cos of a fault on that circuit, you are not going to be in a happy place law-wise - duty of care etc. Might have been nothing to do with the work you did but if you don't have the paper to show you did your best...

 

[AA410]

Hi all a couple of weeks ago i fitted a bathroom light like for like for an old dear and it was a good job i mwc because i found a nice burnt JB in the loft so it is a good idea to test

 

[Hellmooth]

Yeah I agree it is best to test, but it was mainly about it not being required certification.

 

[AA410]

I think post 18 is about right were do you stand if ya arse is on the line without the paper work minor works (extensions and modifications to a circuits ) why is it when you have your assessment the assessor make you undo switches and socket outlets and replace them ?

 

[NickD]

And the MWC contains virtually no overhead over and above the stuff you have to measure or find out if you're testing for safety anyway. Especially if you have your details prefilled in the bottom section.

 

[markc123]

With all due respect, if you've not MWC it, and providing you've not billed it(cash in hand)...who's too say you did it in the first place?

Obviouslly i don't mean that how it sounds, because everything you install, no matter how minor should be done with upmost care and attention.

If you know what you're doing, and you're confident in your own ability as a working sparks then the thought of anything going wrong shouldn't even cross your mind, i'm standing by what i said...and that is, unless the client demands for it / unforseen circumstances / visiable damage to whatever you're replacing like-for-like then there is no need for a MWC.

 

[markc123]

I think post 18 is about right were do you stand if ya arse is on the line without the paper work minor works (extensions and modifications to a circuits ) why is it when you have your assessment the assessor make you undo switches and socket outlets and replace them ?

Your assessor makes you replace them? :confused5:

Were they not functioning or something? Honestly never had that, the assessor makes me take things off to test so he can compare results with the test cert, but never actually replace anything.

Was it a new build and you'd stuck an old double-paintcovered-socket on and he was doing it out of basic general principle lol?

 

[NickD]

With all due respect, if you've not MWC it, and providing you've not billed it(cash in hand)...who's too say you did it in the first place?

Obviouslly i don't mean that how it sounds, because everything you install, no matter how minor should be done with upmost care and attention.

If you know what you're doing, and you're confident in your own ability as a working sparks then the thought of anything going wrong shouldn't even cross your mind, i'm standing by what i said...and that is, unless the client demands for it / unforseen circumstances / visiable damage to whatever you're replacing like-for-like then there is no need for a MWC.

I can see the logic of the argument that if there is no other evidence you were ever there, then don't issue a MWC because then you could deny everything, Baldrick. But you could be putting yourself on a very sticky wicket that way.

Contrariwise, if there is clear evidence you were there (invoice etc.) then my inclination would be to MWC. Bear in mind the law often takes the view that if there is no evidence, it didn't happen. You can have tested everything thoroughly but no certificate means that, in a courtroom, you tested nothing.

I don't think I'd ever want to dismiss the possibility of anything going wrong. Stuff happens out of our control. It's an uncertain universe.

 

[markc123]

In all fairness Nick you are correct, because GN3 does state that it should be done like-for-like.

However, i've done literally thousands of like-for-like replacements over the years, like everyone on here will of...and if i've MWC 100 of them...i'll be suprised. Maybe its just me set in my ways, but i can sleep at night because i know it's correct.

The way the world is nowadays though with all these Electrical Trainee, and 7dw i maybe better off doing a few more MWC, anyone could be altering anything afterwards with no certification.

May start issuing MWC for anything thats not cash in hand, i'll have a ponder.

 

[AA410]

One other thing is MWC is an other hours money a few moor pints down the pub