Certification

[Imperia]

Hello all,

Just wondering what your thoughts are on the following questions. I am new to the forum and thought you could shed some light on my issues.

OK... My company have been asked to provide a installation certificate for the completion of a few flats. We did not do the work another spark did (if you could call him a spark).

We have carried out tests and treated it as test and inspect. We then provided the customer with a testing cert not a installation cert as we did not do the works.

He has said the building inspector can not sign off the work until a new installation cert has been provided by the company who carried out the work.

I use tysoft for certs and have done for 5 years or so but I can not remember the domestic cert to have a design, installation and testing sheet on it....

What are your thoughts on this? Should we provide a installation cert or just a testing cert? Just to let you know we had to make some changes to some circuits as they did not comply to regs ect and had some faults but that has all been sorted now.

Many thanks

 

[Risteard]

Just to be clear if signing the Inspector part of an Electrical Installation Certificate, really inspection should have been ongoing during the work. It should be remembered that inspection precedes testing, and indeed is more important than testing.

So if much of the installation is now concealed then there is a problem even with a three-part certificate.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

1.1 has to be Designed and Installed to BS7671:2015 (now)

Guessng this is the point you want
1.2 Sufficient information should be provided to ensure that the people can operate, maintain or alter an electrical installation with reasonable safety.

The information should comprise items listed in BS7671 and other appropriate information including:

a) Electrical installion Certificates OR reports describing the installation and giving details of the work carried out.
<Would a EICR be a report describing the installation (Section D: Extent and Limitations of the Inspection and Testing) Also (Section E: Summary of the Condition of the Installation) Make it CLEAR its a THIRD PARTY INSTALLATION and that YOU did NOT install it)

b) Permanent labels, for example on the earth connections and bonds, and on the items of electrical equipment such as consumer units and residual current devices (RCDs)

c) Operation instructions and logbooks

d) for unsually large or complex installations only, detailed plans.

<if we take B as Read, i hope they did there is a water supply to the Taps in a Kitchen, if its in the coming or not, i do not know>
<C its a Kitchen shouldnt need a LOGBOOK i hope, and D shouldnt be that LARGE and COMPLEX>

 

[joehat]

BS 7671requires a EIC for all new circuits

Hi Dillb

So if the designer/installer wasn't coming back for what ever reason and you had no way of contacting him/her, what would you do/recommended to customer? Apart from opening up all walls ect to check installation?

 

[Plonker 3]

BS 7671requires a EIC for all new circuits

Hi Dillb

So if the designer/installer wasn't coming back for what ever reason and you had no way of contacting him/her, what would you do/recommended to customer? Apart from opening up all walls ect to check installation?

Tell them to contact trading standards or the scam provider.

Also point out to them that although "Dave" down the pub was alot cheaper. Now that LABC need the paperwork or their new build will be dismantled it doesnt seem such a good idea now.

 

[joehat]

Tell them to contact trading standards or the scam provider.

Also point out to them that although "Dave" down the pub was alot cheaper. Now that LABC need the paperwork or their new build will be dismantled it doesnt seem such a good idea now.

Its easy to say that, but their are reasons beyond a bad electrician, and its no ones gonna day tear it down, start again.

I would surely do a full detailed EICR. And would class this as a good solution, if this was in a private house the no one would know apart from them, so surely they would rather an EICR rather than nothing, at least it would test highlight things, eg bad IR Or poor continuity over the max zs ect.

 

[DuaneMHunt1976]

All electrical work in dwelling must be carried out in line with Part P of the Building Regulations. From 6 April 2014 a person who is registered with a third party certification scheme for electrical installations in dwellings will be able to check domestic electrical work that is undertaken by others and certify that it is compliant with the building regulations

https://www.gov.uk/third-party-certification-schemes-for-domestic-electrical-work

Think only Napit/Stroma let you register for a 3rd Party Certification Scheme more ££££

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Its easy to say that, but their are reasons beyond a bad electrician, and its no ones gonna day tear it down, start again.

I would surely do a full detailed EICR. And would class this as a good solution, if this was in a private house the no one would know apart from them, so surely they would rather an EICR rather than nothing, at least it would test highlight things, eg bad IR Or poor continuity over the max zs ect.

I agree, I cant see an inspector stating that all the work needs to be removed. I would assume in practice the inspector will have to make do with an EICR, that is the only reasonable solution in the event the previous electrician cannot be contacted.

This must happen a fair bit. I expect in practice the 'second' electrician just signs off the work and the inspector is none the wiser. If that's what they want to do then so be it, I feel it's taking a gamble and is also wrong.

 

[joehat]

I have contacted NICEIC and will report back when i have a response from them.

 

[sinewove]

I think the NICEIC want nothing to do with the 3rd party scheme and rightly so.
SW.

 

[joehat]

Niceic have said i quote if already live and in use then it would have to be an EICR AND if its just sockets ect left to install and is not yet live, then you would do an EIC but with lim to what you have and havent done to cover your back, they said that its very highly unlikely that building control would ever say rip it out and start again, they would most likely say as above.