Certifying another Sparks work

[Risteard]

1. Complete the 3 part EIC and sign only the testing part, and have the other person/s responsible for design and install sign the other parts.

Did you inspect during erection of the wiring systems and not just after everything was concealed?

 

[nlbhoy]

Did you inspect during erection of the wiring systems and not just after everything was concealed?

No, and I made the NIC aware of this before engaging in the work.

 

[Andy78]

No, and I made the NIC aware of this before engaging in the work.

It's your name on the cert though not the NICEIC's, and you've signed for a full initial verification including inspection of all the items on the inspection schedule.

 

[westward10]

It is his name on the Cert but I believe he is only signing for the testing of it which is fine, there are some items on the Schedule of Inspections which may be difficult to confirm.

 

[Andy78]

It is his name on the Cert but I believe he is only signing for the testing of it which is fine, there are some items on the Schedule of Inspections which may be difficult to confirm.

The box he has signed takes responsibility for the inspection and testing of the installation as described in the description and extent part of the certificate, and that it conforms, in it's entirety, to BS7671. If there are items he cannot verify then more fool him.

 

[westward10]

It is not something I would be doing but where does it say in its entirety, BS7671 states to the best of my knowledge and belief. Is it NICEIC format.

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Hi,

I've been approached by a builder who has requested several of his jobs are certified. He has used another electrician to carry out the work who is unable to certify his own work.

I've suggested an EICR report as I'm unable to inspect cable runs in permitted zones along with other factors that I'm unable to verify, especially the quality of another's work.

He has informed me that as long as this is good enough for the council then that's fine.

Any suggestions on how best to approach has this, is there still a 3 signature certificate. Install, design and test?



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Do you mean 'notify', rather than certify? The electrician completing the work would have been able to certify (ie offer the correct certificate) the work carried out even if he wasn't registered with a scheme. If it was notifiable work that's a different matter, and like you and the others have said an EICR may be the way forward.

 

[Andy78]

It is not something I would be doing but where does it say in its entirety, BS7671 states to the best of my knowledge and belief. Is it NICEIC format.

You are correct that it is worded like that. How the NICEIC forms are worded I have no idea.

By entirety I meant that the signature covers all items on the inspection schedule and compliance in all areas with BS7671. I'm not aware of any items that are exempt from inspection, nor any reduced liability for items not inspected.

Having said that, with it being the NICEIC, they maybe have a box you can tick for "initial verification inspection carried out by builder"

 

[westward10]

He will be okay the NICEIC won't be running for the hills if anything hits the fan.:lol:

 

[richy3333]

He will be okay the NICEIC won't be running for the hills if anything hits the fan.:lol:

Perhaps that he couldn't see/confirm he just marked FI?!

 

[westward10]

Care to elaborate.

 

[TJ Anderson]

You are correct that it is worded like that. How the NICEIC forms are worded I have no idea.

By entirety I meant that the signature covers all items on the inspection schedule and compliance in all areas with BS7671. I'm not aware of any items that are exempt from inspection, nor any reduced liability for items not inspected.

I would write that on limitations section. Inspection and testing carried out after 2nd fix only. 1st fix inspection of installation including cable routes carried out by Joe Bloggs the builder and get his signature in inspection and testing box aswell as yours.

 

[nlbhoy]

I would write that on limitations section. Inspection and testing carried out after 2nd fix only. 1st fix inspection of installation including cable routes carried out by Joe Bloggs the builder and get his signature in inspection and testing box aswell as yours.

This is exactly what we did and were told to do by NIC to cover all the bases.

 

[westward10]

What Limitations section?

 

[Octopus]

What Limitations section?

Probably another fabrication by the NICEIC....