Changes in the 17th edition....

[LukeScotty]

Thought I'd start a sticky post on the 17th edition changes, basically just list of all the regs which have changed, be as detailed as you like really, hopefully it'll become a decent reference post for you look upon in the furture months before it comes into action. Type away...........

 

[Darius-parky]

Haven't bought my copy yet. Can't quite bring myself to spend £65 on a bleedin book!

Hi Cirrus, Hi every one. Nice to be back after a long time. Family reasons.

Last time I complained about paying £65 for the red book everyone called me a tight -------/git!! Is there anyway that I can just have the updates to correlate with the brown book. Would be far sensible if this document could be looseleaf which could be updated as the regulations change rather than being produced in book form which must be purchased at vast expense!

 

[wayne]

hi darius a listing of the main changes can be found on websites such as the iee ,i still recommend the full book ,try ebay or amazon

 

[4x4 mark]

i got my 17thed offov amazon £57 but i bought it with other books so the postage was next to nowt, the on site guide comes out in september i think i was promised it for the 19th but not 100% sure.

 

[linzilou72]

Can I get back to the question about 16th edition testers? Tony are you talking Insulation Resistance and if so we all know that anything under 2 M Ohms needs to be investigated no matter what the regs say. Which lets face it all 16th edition testers can already do, so is this just another way to extract money from over regulated electricians.

I would also like to rant about kitchen fitters/plumbers why is is that Part P for them is a quick and easy course and for us sparks a long drawn out process and they work in special locations !!!! My landlord recently had a new condensing boiler and gas central heating installed in my flat, when I opened the door to let these two children in to install it and left for work I felt quite worried but gave them the benefit of the doubt. On returning the little blighters had unplugged my stereo out of the double socket in the kitchen and just plugged the boiler in, no spur, no cable clips, nothing nada.

Part P part timers get on my wick, If I had done that for the plumbers I work for they would have had a mini fit.

 

[daisy]

Hi.
Enjoyed reading the comments about the new regs.
I will be interested to know what you think of one of the new regs. Our teacher on the 17th edition course was non committal. Page 114 reg 533.1.1.2 says " fuses having fuse links likely to be removed or replaced by persons other than instructed persons or skilled persons shall be of a type which complies with the safety requirements of BS 88."
Does this mean no rewireable BS3036 fuses in domestic installations now. I know we have,nt used them in years but it would now have to be noted as a code 4 on a Periodic Inspection.
I will be interested to know your views
P.S.
you testers out there, are we now going to have additional pages with the Periodics just to cope with the code 4 "explosion".
Thanks Daisy

 

[Cirrus]

Hi Daisy. I just did my 17th course and exam on Thursday. We didn't learn a thing and I can honestly say I have no idea about the new regs. Passed my exam cos I was clever at finding the right section in the big red book. Good for you - sounds like your lecturer gave you ideas as to what the changes are on site as opposed to the changes as per the regs.

 

[daisy]

Hi Cirrus
Do not want to worry you but off the top of my head
EARTHING - GROUPING - METHODS - IMPEDANCE - BONDING - ZONES - INSULATION RES - thats it I,ve run out now there,s probably more! Have changed or include changes.

Got to go got a bit of reading to do
Daisy

 

[Cirrus]

Thanks Daisy,
Am not worried now as I did pass the exam so just need to swot up on things in a bit more detail I think

 

[tony.towa]

It's times like this I start to feel old. I have a 15th, 15(II) and 16th certificate and now I need to get the 17th. Have gone through the "big brown book" and agree with one of the previous replies, the Schneider web site info is very useful and puts some of the requirements into English. They can be printed off easily and there are more to come. Yet again though every electrician will interpret the regs differently and the manufacturers will give guidance that will have you buying more expensive products from them. It's a great life

 

[wayne]

hi daisy ,reading the black and white in the red book it would appear you're right about semi-rewirables ...has this change been sneaked under the wire ?
it certainly looks like semi-rewirables are now a code 4(does not comply with current regs ) any thoughts from the gallery?

 

[old dog]

411.4.5
where compliance with this regulation by an rcd the disconnection times
in accordance with table 41.1 relate to prospective residual fault currents
higher than the rated residual operating current of the rcd
(typically 2 IAn)
just got my head round this checked my meter was capable of 2x rcd
test thought thats what meant
this has now been amended and removed iet site has the list of amendments
bought the book passed the exam and i am out of date already

 

[Shakey]

411.4.5
where compliance with this regulation by an rcd the disconnection times
in accordance with table 41.1 relate to prospective residual fault currents
higher than the rated residual operating current of the rcd
(typically 2 IAn)
just got my head round this checked my meter was capable of 2x rcd
test thought thats what meant
this has now been amended and removed iet site has the list of amendments
bought the book passed the exam and i am out of date already

it has not been ammended

If it had we would now be working to BS7671:2008 ammended to 2008 or something

It has been corrigendumed

silly boy

 

[old dog]

it has not been ammended

If it had we would now be working to BS7671:2008 ammended to 2008 or something

It has been corrigendumed

silly boy

it was late could not spell corrigendumed but i think you got my drift

my mum god rest her told me son never use a word you cant spell
i dont say much these days

 

[a.walk]

Hi Cirrus, Hi every one. Nice to be back after a long time. Family reasons.

Last time I complained about paying £65 for the red book everyone called me a tight *******/git!! Is there anyway that I can just have the updates to correlate with the brown book. Would be far sensible if this document could be looseleaf which could be updated as the regulations change rather than being produced in book form which must be purchased at vast expense!

Hi Darius, you don't pay for printing the book, because that costs pennies, you pay for the author rights, if they only wanted to make it cheaper they would publish it on the internet, so anybody could print it and have it next day on site, you get thicker books with better quality paper for 20 quid. It only costs £65 because the knew it was going to be a bestseller this year, so why give up the profit, all sparks are used to paying that much for a book anyway

 

[LukeScotty]

shakey, have u got a pdf format of the regs ? wink wink ?