City and Guilds 2365 Electrotechnical

[PeteMc]

Hi.

Has anyone heard of this course- Electrical Qualifications - City and Guilds 2365 Electrotechnical ? It looks like most colleges (North East) are stopping the level 3, 2330 course in favour of the 2375, but this course would be of benefit to older students.
Cant find anything on the C&G website.

Thanks. Pete

 

[skamuk]

Ask the College again about what the 2365 course qualifies you as once completed. The college should have asked you to sign a disclaimer form when you enrolled on your 2365 course, stating that you understand the 2365 course does NOT qualify you as an electrician only as a mate. Actually there is NO actual qualification issued by the industry recognising a Mate, it is just a general term used by City and Guilds and by the trade in general to describe an unqualified person helping a qualified one. The only card at a similar level are a card stating Labourer, or slightly further up the scale are a Trainee or Apprentice etc. There is not card issued for a Mate by the industry, you don't have to trust me, ask the issuing body (ECS). You will need to add an NVQ Level 3 AND the AM2 to your 2365 (17 edition is part of an electricians qualifications to ensure you are up to date with current regulations) to get a qualified electricians card to work in the industry. Check the ECS (Card) web site, all the info is there.

Thanks, This is very helpful of you. I do not intend to work on a site, for a company.. I will be working self employed alongside my dad who is a self employed builder of many trades.. Will this matter to me still or is this only relevant if I was to be an employee somewhere, working for an established company?

 

[skamuk]

Still have my ears open for a reply to my last message. Will the 2365 L2&3 give me enough knowledge to start working for myself? I never intend to work for someone who requires a qualification in the first place. I have enrolled on the course purely for knowledge and understanding...

 

[strideredc]

No, Get qualified and then phone the agencies and work as a mate, there is no course in the world that will teach you what you need to know to work for yourself or anyone else

There are no quick routes, apart from if you are talented at the work and move through to feeling competent yourself...

You have to ask yourself, are you worth £100-£200 a day for just knowing a bit of technical knowledge? i.e if you are paying the money to yourself would you??? no, you would get someone that was experienced, nothing can buy that....

Dont let this put you off as there is always work out there....

 

[mec]

Still have my ears open for a reply to my last message. Will the 2365 L2&3 give me enough knowledge to start working for myself? I never intend to work for someone who requires a qualification in the first place. I have enrolled on the course purely for knowledge and understanding...

Hi I don't mind replying but it's your college that should be advising you here, have you checked with your college? If you ask the college you will find that the 2365 course does not qualify you as an electrician, it should give you a wealth of knowledge but mainly basic and there is no real substitute for real life practice. There are other courses designed to enable a competent person prove they are technically knowledgeable such as doing a P course. Have you checked? Ask the college and post their reply here, if it's wrong someone will advise. I'd stick with the 2365 course and while you are on it you should learn about certification. It would be good for you to look up part P of the building regulations as it is very pertinent to your question. Part of being competent is understanding the legislation and codes of practice. If you don't think I have answered your question do some reading in the areas I have mentioned and it should become more clear to you. What I'm suggesting is you obtain as much information as you can from as many sources as you can then you will understand the process of self certification and being competent a lot better than you do now. Ask your college if they cover this topic on your course. A qualified electrician who is good at his job can charge £200+ per day and people are willing to pay, so stick at it and learn as much as you can while you can.

Regards.

 

[skamuk]

Hi I don't mind replying but it's your college that should be advising you here, have you checked with your college? If you ask the college you will find that the 2365 course does not qualify you as an electrician, it should give you a wealth of knowledge but mainly basic and there is no real substitute for real life practice. There are other courses designed to enable a competent person prove they are technically knowledgeable such as doing a P course. Have you checked? Ask the college and post their reply here, if it's wrong someone will advise. I'd stick with the 2365 course and while you are on it you should learn about certification. It would be good for you to look up part P of the building regulations as it is very pertinent to your question. Part of being competent is understanding the legislation and codes of practice. If you don't think I have answered your question do some reading in the areas I have mentioned and it should become more clear to you. What I'm suggesting is you obtain as much information as you can from as many sources as you can then you will understand the process of self certification and being competent a lot better than you do now. Ask your college if they cover this topic on your course. A qualified electrician who is good at his job can charge £200+ per day and people are willing to pay, so stick at it and learn as much as you can while you can.

Regards.

Mec, Thanks for your reply. I spoke with my college yesterday about this and they said the same as you. The part P seems ideal and I did contemplate leaving the course but the teacher advised me to stick at this course out as I will have a greater understanding, and upon completing the nvq and 17th edition I will have the opportunity to work almost anywhere and, like you said, for around £200 a day. He said normally the case is that plumbers take up the part p course so they can plumb and wire kitchens and bathrooms. I am going to stick it out and complete l2, l3 (maybe l4!) nvq and 17th edition. I am able to enroll on the nvq course alongside the l2 course I'm doing now. Its only a few weeks long. I think I will work for a company for a few years and then work for myself.

Thanks for your replies everyone! :icon4:

 

[mec]

Mec, Thanks for your reply. I spoke with my college yesterday about this and they said the same as you. The part P seems ideal and I did contemplate leaving the course but the teacher advised me to stick at this course out as I will have a greater understanding, and upon completing the nvq and 17th edition I will have the opportunity to work almost anywhere and, like you said, for around £200 a day. He said normally the case is that plumbers take up the part p course so they can plumb and wire kitchens and bathrooms. I am going to stick it out and complete l2, l3 (maybe l4!) nvq and 17th edition. I am able to enroll on the nvq course alongside the l2 course I'm doing now. Its only a few weeks long. I think I will work for a company for a few years and then work for myself.

Thanks for your replies everyone! :icon4:

Nice to hear you are finding your own way around, but never shy away from asking questions and don't be put off if it get hard, even experienced engineers have to scratch their head every now and then. Good luck with your course(s).

Regards

 

[tomwood1978]

2365 City & guilds is now the replacement for 2330 I've just started it this sept. I trained when I left school but moved and dropped my YTS for years I've wonted to be an electrician but thought id never be able to get back into it so as a result ive never had any jobs that last long . after being laid off I looked into getting back to college at 35! after fulfilling my tutors conditions which was to get my functional skills' up together before the start of term, maths and English. I've gone striate on to level 2 year1 as I have experience and my age. the first day was paper work and then a small tests to see were your at exercise like wire a plug. Really people cant do that so why are they on this course ! I ended up helping those who were finding it hard! anyways my point is im so happy to be doing electrical work again and so relieved to be on a course my only problem now is I need to find work on the isle of wight and from what I see its impossible here, its not like the old days where u sore your gaffa and he took a chance on you. in the mean time I've got my PPE together have taken a cscs op test and had a H&S day course + emergency first aid and im on a course ive also contacted by email most of the electrical compainys here .but I really need an employer to give me a chance and on the job experience preferably JIB reg electrician they don't even need to pay any college fees its all done the problem is I cant just continue at college with out on site training or I'll never become a electrician as parts on L3 are performance evidence units can any one give me any advice or guidance please

 

[andybfirth]

Hi All,

I have been accepted on the 2365 electricians course at Calderdale College, starting in September 2014, I am 34 and have decided to do what I've wanted to do since leaving school, become an electrician, after many years in the same job in sales.

From what I gather from the course information, I will have all the classroom knowledge and qualifications, but will need on the job experience to become a qualified electrician.

Can anyone offer me any advise on what text books, information books or websites will help me on this course, even before the course starts in September.

Any other information relating to this course and becoming an electrician would be a great help.

I am wanting to start the course with good info and knowledge, so I don't get behind throughout the course, I work 6 days a week and long hours and have a family, so I am not going to have a lot of time to study. I am doing the evening course, 2 nights a week.

Many thanks in advance

Andy Firth