Claiming Jobseekers

[Geordie Spark]

Makes you wonder why we work when things like this happen. No job, "could" live at home, now a complete drain on the state.

I'm guessing that he's ordered Sky TV too!

Well I worked because I enjoyed working - and for me it was a matter of pride to work & support myself & family.

 

[alarm man]

I too worked in manufacturing first as a Precision Engineer, then Machine Shop Foreman and finally as a Training Instructor tasked with the selection, training & welfare of some 80 apprentices in a large engineering company. This last job lasted for 5 years until everything went belly-up & I spent the next 13 months relying one the Benefits System which I certainly did NOT understand !!! I found the whole thing to be shambolic, discriminatory and downright degrading and that was why I decided to start up on my own. I didn't have much idea about starting / running a business either, but at least I was to be master of my own destiny & not have my life ruled by some snotty-nosed clerk at the Job Centre who could bollox-up my day or not - depending on whether he / she had enjoyed his / her breakfast that morning or had a shag the night before !!

My 27 years of self-employment were probably the hardest of my life, but they were also the happiest.

One of my sons on the other hand DOES know the benefits system VERY well - so well in fact that the bone idle ******* has never had a job in his life & has spent 16 years (so far) sponging off the rest of us. He celebrated his birthday last week by being given the keys to a flat - all paid for by the "Benefits System".

I'm disgusted at the whole thing ...... and him !!!

i like your old school style gs,not enough of it around, parents mollycoddling their kids,who have it so easy they dont want to work,because they will need a 30k job to maintain the standards they have at home,too many lazy bassers around..

 

[Geordie Spark]

i like your old school style gs,not enough of it around, parents mollycoddling their kids,who have it so easy they dont want to work,because they will need a 30k job to maintain the standards they have at home,too many lazy bassers around..

Thank you

I inherited that from me Dad.

He served his apprenticeship as a fitter & turner - when it MEANT something - then as it was nearing the end of the war, he was called-up & joined REME (Army Engineers) & was assigned to Bomb Disposal looking after their gear etc.

After the war, he got a job at a paint factory as a Maintenance Fitter where he remained until he retired by which time he rose through the ranks to the giddy heights of Maintenance Manager. In all that time, we could count on both hands the number of days he was off sick.

He had me working in our shed which had a home-made lathe in it which he rebuilt using nothing more than hand tools, He even made a four jaw chuck for it using an old lathe at work when on night shift, hacksaw, files & hammer & chisel. He won a prize in a competition for that effort. He also made a drilling machine & a vertical milling machine - both from scratch. He was one Hell of a craftsman. He would have something made using not much more than his hand tools while I was still looking for a machine to do the same job !!

By the time I was 13, I was building working models of steam locomotives & had my apprenticeship as a Precision Engineer in the bag. The trouble was ...... I REALLY wanted to be a spark !!!

 

[alarm man]

Thank you

I inherited that from me Dad.

He served his apprenticeship as a fitter & turner - when it MEANT something - then as it was nearing the end of the war, he was called-up & joined REME (Army Engineers) & was assigned to Bomb Disposal looking after their gear etc.

After the war, he got a job at a paint factory as a Maintenance Fitter where he remained until he retired by which time he rose through the ranks to the giddy heights of Maintenance Manager. In all that time, we could count on both hands the number of days he was off sick.

He had me working in our shed which had a home-made lathe in it which he rebuilt using nothing more than hand tools, He even made a four jaw chuck for it using an old lathe at work when on night shift, hacksaw, files & hammer & chisel. He won a prize in a competition for that effort. He also made a drilling machine & a vertical milling machine - both from scratch. He was one Hell of a craftsman. He would have something made using not much more than his hand tools while I was still looking for a machine to do the same job !!

By the time I was 13, I was building working models of steam locomotives & had my apprenticeship as a Precision Engineer in the bag. The trouble was ...... I REALLY wanted to be a spark !!!

craftsman..now there's a term not used much these days,everyones an engineer now..

 

[Geordie Spark]

craftsman..now there's a term not used much these days,everyones an engineer now..

Aye ... in their ain heids !!

 

[i=p/u]

lads your forgetting the one thing you know. you can go to work for someone and have a crap time for 200 a week. then ccosts to go to work the some house keep or rent then you have very little left to play with or you can claim the dole for70 a week and do nothing. plus crisis loans, cash in hand for odd jobs.. it doesnt pay for some people to work. everyone situation is different. but i believe its good for your sanity to get up in morning and go to work and come home at tea time.

i hated having to turn up and sign.

 

[sbrown2]

I agree, its good for your sanity to go to work. Its better for your sanity to get as much money as possible for the work you do or do not do. I've never been able to get around the benefits system as being PAYE. But if, and I say if, I worked for any builder friends outside of my normal work I would expect to maximise my earnings by certain means. As I've said the most successful people seem to know how to manipulate the system.

 

[robsparky1975]

lets not talk then about the woman who has 17 kids and claims £60k a year in hand outs,sick moo that one.My dad said to me 16 what do you think your doing siitng there on your backside,go get a job or your out,i did and always kept those values,jobseekers money should be earned not given for doing nothing,I look around my local area now and its all scummy mummys,18-25 year olds 3 kids hanging off them,and they get more money after never working a day in there life and never paying a penny in taxes,yet the average working bloke who has paid all his taxes and then gets made redundant gets less.The system is unfair in my view on the people that have put the most into .

 

[Geordie Spark]

lets not talk then about the woman who has 17 kids and claims £60k a year in hand outs,sick moo that one.My dad said to me 16 what do you think your doing siitng there on your backside,go get a job or your out,i did and always kept those values,jobseekers money should be earned not given for doing nothing,I look around my local area now and its all scummy mummys,18-25 year olds 3 kids hanging off them,and they get more money after never working a day in there life and never paying a penny in taxes,yet the average working bloke who has paid all his taxes and then gets made redundant gets less.The system is unfair in my view on the people that have put the most into .

Your damn' right it's unfair.

One time when I was out of work & claiming JSA, I used some of my savings to update my gas qualifications. The cours & assessment cost over £900 & when the Dept of Work & Pensions found out they stopped my JSA because I had deprived myself of capital.

And you wonder why I'm a bit of an anarchist !!!!

 

[i=p/u]

the system doesnt work for some and its perfect for some. 16 kids is a joke but her choice or she like the buckfast and forgets her female condom..

 

[flyingsausage]

the system doesnt work for some and its perfect for some. 16 kids is a joke but her choice or she like the buckfast and forgets her female condom..

You have to feel sorry for her kids,they will not have had a very good start to life - all they will know is getting money from the system and will grow up thinking that is how they have to live as well.

 

[Dave 85]

Its all the Labour governments fault. All of it. Every person they could get on the handouts was another labour voter in the bag. Not only did they F over the taxpayer but they F'd over the people they have turned into workshy wasters and their descendants for generations to come. If labour get voted in again I will seriously consider moving to australia.

 

[alarm man]

Its all the Labour governments fault. All of it. Every person they could get on the handouts was another labour voter in the bag. Not only did they F over the taxpayer but they F'd over the people they have turned into workshy wasters and their descendants for generations to come. If labour get voted in again I will seriously consider moving to australia.

you really do read the sun too much,how is it labours fault,its not even the tories fault,its peoples fault its societys fault,its the fault of greedy selfish people be it the ones that have spawned from generations of work shyness or the freeloaders who risk life and limb to get here to take take take,how to fix it,fnose how it will be done,you cant just stop it overnight and kick everyone out their homes and stop benefits as you will have thousands homeless with no money,more crime etc,its needs to be weeded out but that will take years..

 

[flyingsausage]

you really do read the sun too much,how is it labours fault,its not even the tories fault,its peoples fault its societys fault,its the fault of greedy selfish people be it the ones that have spawned from generations of work shyness or the freeloaders who risk life and limb to get here to take take take,how to fix it,fnose how it will be done,you cant just stop it overnight and kick everyone out their homes and stop benefits as you will have thousands homeless with no money,more crime etc,its needs to be weeded out but that will take years..

The system is what the system is,and it is far to late to try to change it now.

 

[alarm man]

The system is what the system is,and it is far to late to try to change it now.

the system doesnt really need changed that much,peoples attitudes to not working do,tho we have to produce real jobs with real wages first