Class 2 advice needed please

[EcoTechnologies]

Hey everyone.

Recently got called to a job where I needed to change over a light fitting and other small jobs. Upon testing the circuit no earth was present, I investigated the circuit thoroughly and gave the customer a few options on what to do. The customer decided to go ahead with changing all the light switches and light fittings to class 2. Fuseboard was also upgraded and earth bonding installed.

The job is now completed, I have printed out a label and left on the fuseboard mentioning about the lighting circuit has no earth.

Should I also fill out a risk assessment and print out and leave with the EIC at the fuseboard? ‘This is the first circuit I have installed class 2 items on so am a bit unsure,normally the customer gets it re-wired but on this occasion the customer didn’t want this carried out.
Attached is one I have filled out which I hope is correct.

Thanks for any advice given.

 

[westward10]

Not that I know of I should imagine production stopped a long time ago due to lack of demand.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

When I’ve dealt with installations that have unearthed lighting, I often find those back boxes with the nylon inserts have been fitted.

 

[westward10]

It was a method used a fair few years back and if the installation has light fittings which do not require an earth then it was acceptable and would still be so now.

 

[westward10]

I would love to know why I have a disagree in #29.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

@westward10 .I am responding to my disagree on two of your posts as you will be asking me why shortly.
Plastic switches might not be class 2 rated but last time I checked they don't conduct electricity so you cannot get a shock off them.As for nylon screws FFS.Get a grip.In 34 years of being an electrician I have never seen nylon screws fitted in this instance.Plastic caps are fine for covering metal screws.We live in an imperfect world and sometimes have to make the best of a bad job.If you walk away from every job that you disagree with then you wouldn't be in business very long.The OP's solution is the best of a bad job.It is now 10 times safer than when he started and if the customer doesn't want to pay to have it rewired then he has done everything he can to make it as safe as possible.

 

[EcoTechnologies]

Thanks Bob, all you have said is correct. Just trying to make the best of a bad situation.

 

[westward10]

Whether it is ten times safer is neither here not there, plastic caps are not type tested to provide any form of insulation they are merely for aesthetic purposes and if you think they are fine for covering a screw which should be earthed then you are naive.

 

[Bellendian]

I will be tearing down your new laura ashley wallpaper to put a mysterious extra wire into your fancy b and q light fittings, and you will pay me for the privelidge!

 

[westward10]

Not another picture poster.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

A note for the OP about the risk assessment: I am not sure how you computed the risk with original control measures. You indicate that it is likely that people using the electrical installation will get a shock, and some of them might be killed. Then you consider this only a medium risk! Likely x Severe = Very High Risk. In reality the likelihood is low, otherwise thousands of people would have been killed by unearthed lighting circuits which were once the norm.

I won't participate in the debate about whether the new configuration is acceptable. I'll stick to my earthed metalclad industrial wiring systems.

 

[telectrix]

It was a method used a fair few years back and if the installation has light fittings which do not require an earth then it was acceptable and would still be so now.

i doubt it being acceptable now.if 3.5's a bit over long are fitted, they will contact with the metal back box. maybe we should go back to wood boxes. .

 

[Midwest]

I did a job a while back for a mate, when he wanted his bathroom refurbished in a property he had just bought. He wanted downlights etc. Turns out the cpc was actually an earth wire bonded to a water pipe in the loft, and the lighting had no cpc's.

Just changed the light to Class2, but he had other metal lights & switches. The place needed a rewire, which I couldn't do. But I recommended him to some other sparks. I said get it rewired before he did his bathroom, laid flooring etc etc. How much he asked, said 3-5k. He said he couldn't afford that.

Saw him the last week. Had to get the place rewired, it kept blowing fuses he said, and had to get floorings removed, ceilings down etc. He reckoned it cost him £10k, didn't ask the details.