Class 2 Spur to outside socket

[oracle]

Well the op doesn't say there is no cpc, just it's a class II.

So it's just my guess that it might be a transformerless shaver socket, but it would be limited to 200mA of course, probably OK for a laptop, although should be only for shavers.

Agree, if it is this, there isn't any regulation preventing it's placement (assuming it's outside of 3m from the room containing a bath or shower ?).

Where he chooses to shave is up to him.

So i should change fuse in the FCU to 200 mA from 13 to comply ?

 

[telectrix]

you should change the cable as a priority.

 

[oracle]

What is a Class II spur when it is at home?

Senior moment, should read Class 2, IP 56, 2 pin S/O fed by 13A FCU taken off kitchen ring.

 

[Deleted account]

Still a little confused.

external rated 2 pin socket fitted outside fed from a ring. It is fused down with a 13A FSU and the feed cable has no earth.

is this correct?

what size are the conductors?

is the 2 pin socket a shaver type socket or….. ?

picture would help. If you can’t get picture from on site a similar picture from internet search would be good.

 

[oracle]

1. Correct
2. Twi core 2.5mm copper
3. 2 flat pin shaver type S/O fitted to lockable IP 56 box.

 

[Deleted account]

1. Correct
2. Twi core 2.5mm copper
3. 2 flat pin shaver type S/O fitted to lockable IP 56 box.

In that case not sure what grounds you’ve stated unsatisfactory.

what is the actual reason stated for the coding? And what code did you give?

 

[oracle]

In that case not sure what grounds you’ve stated unsatisfactory.

what is the actual reason stated for the coding? And what code did you give?

I went with a C2 Recommended cable change to 3 core and standard S/O plate. Posted this because I've never seen this setup and it just felt wrong.

 

[brianmoooore]

Is the "shaver socket" actually a European IP56 socket by any chance?

 

[Deleted account]

I went with a C2 Recommended cable change to 3 core and standard S/O plate. Posted this because I've never seen this setup and it just felt wrong.

I get what your recommending, but what is your reason for the coding?

in an EICR observations you don’t put what should be there or what should be done. You put what is wrong At the time of inspection.

examples:
disconnection times not achievable due to……

potential for overload because…….

cable not sufficient current carrying capacity due to……

etc….etc…


What was the actual wording in observations for your C2?

 

[oracle]

Is the "shaver socket" actually a European IP56 socket by any chance?

ONo, it's a 2pin flat pin type similar to a shaver socked enclosed in a IP56 lockable box.

 

[Deleted account]

Is it this

 

[oracle]

I get what your recommending, but what is your reason for the coding?

in an EICR observations you don’t put what should be there or what should be done. You put what is wrong At the time of inspection.

examples:
disconnection times not achievable due to……

potential for overload because…….

cable not sufficient current carrying capacity due to……

etc….etc…


What was the actual wording in observations for your C2?

The C2 was simply recorded as not complying with 411.3.3 "Additional Protection by means of an RCD" The recommendation to the customer was cable and S/O change.

 

[oracle]

Is it this

View attachment 92069

Yes, similar faceplate, no transformer, in IP 56 enclosure

 

[Julie.]

So i should change fuse in the FCU to 200 mA from 13 to comply ?

If it is a standard transformerless shaver socket outlet, then it is automatically restricted to 200mA internally, the upstream fuse merely needs to be sufficient to protect the cable.

If it is not a transformer or tranformerless shaver socket outlet to bs4573 it is not permitted.

The only socket outlets permitted are those detailed in the regs, ie bs1363, 546 etc.

This isn't just the regs that mandate this, it is actually law SI 1768 1994 - plug and socket regulations.

This is freely available on-line , if you do have a 2 pin eu or similar plug, then the adapter must be included, must be to standard/approved, includes a fuse, and cannot be removed without tools or may have proper shutters etc.

 

[Deleted account]

The C2 was simply recorded as not complying with 411.3.3 "Additional Protection by means of an RCD" The recommendation to the customer was cable and S/O change.

Agree C2 no rcd protection for socket that can be used for outside equipment.