Comercial EICR

[Ross1]

Evening all!

2 questions?

1. when testing a commercial premise Is it my responsibility to point out to the client that the emergency lighting is insufficient or non existent in certain areas of the building?

2. I've never tested premises with a potentially explosive atmosphere before..so I have a situation where I've got a paint mixing room. the paint mixing equipment has the Ex symbols on them. There is also an Ex heater installed in the room. The vapours are quiet strong when entering the room. There is an isolation switch outside the room to kill all sockets. The sockets are standard square edge unswitched doubles supplying some Ex equipment and an extension lead (cheap) a couple of desktop PC`s ,labelling machines etc. The lighting (2 x 5` twin HF fittings with angled reflectors) circuit is part of another lighting circuit with a class 2 motion PIR as a switch (activating the lighting and extractor fan when entering the room) The lights are deffo not Ex and the fan has no info on it.

Any advice would be gratefully appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Bait Account]

In answer to 1 an eicr does not include emergency lighting apart from the fixed wiring. In answer to 2 I havent a clue.

 

[Bait Account]

Here bud what's this pub member red badge thing all about?

 

[Ross1]

Thank you Flick

 

[Ross1]

Here bud what's this pub member red badge thing all about?

If remember correctly...if you can prove to the moderators that you are sparky then you can gain access to the "Electricians Arms"

 

[Bait Account]

Cheers bud. I'm new to this place.

 

[Engineer54]

By the sound of it you are conducting a EICR in a garage repair shop or similar premises. If so their are going to be other Ex locations which by your own admittance, you do not have sufficient experience or certification to conduct to acceptable levels. You are therefore working outside of both your own insurance indemnity cover and the customers insurance companies requirements. not really a good position to put yourself in....

 

[Ross1]

Judging by engineer54's post I might possibly need separate certification for this area. Is there anyone with any advice out there.

Thanks

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Whilst it is true that you are conducting an inspection as to the safety and suitability for continued use of the electrical installation, BS7671, does require you to take account of other Standards and Statutary Requirements that may pertain to the installation you are inspecting.
If you do have concerns regarding any areas that you feel you don't have sufficient knowledge or experience to make informed judgement about.
Then all you can do is list your concerns and advise that further inspections by persons with the specialised knowledge in those areas should be conducted.
It may be educational for you to be present during any such inspections, if they do occur.

 

[trev]

Honestly?
This is not having a go at you mate but try to sub this out. Put your rough location up and there'll be someone near you on here. They might be prepared to do it with/for you.

 

[Flanders]

You will need intrinsically safe test equipment to test in an explosive environment , You do not report on an EICR any failing with the emergency lighting but you could always do a separate quote with your recommendation if you have the knowlege to design and emergency light installation

 

[Engineer54]

You will need intrinsically safe test equipment to test in an explosive environment , You do not report on an EICR any failing with the emergency lighting but you could always do a separate quote with your recommendation if you have the knowlege to design and emergency light installation

I wish anyone luck trying to find intrinsically safe electrical test equipment. You may find a multimeter, but that's about all!!

 

[Guest77]

Cheers bud. I'm new to this place.

And settling in just fine, nice to see you don't have a chip on your shoulder as some newbies do, now where is that other new guy, must go and --- rip him, see you later :biggrin:

 

[Bait Account]

And settling in just fine, nice to see you don't have a chip on your shoulder as some newbies do, now where is that other new guy, must go and --- rip him, see you later :biggrin:

Been on sites for long enough to handle a bit of stick lol. Should be a breeze on a keyboard.

 

[Flanders]

I wish anyone luck trying to find intrinsically safe electrical test equipment. You may find a multimeter, but that's about all!!

So how do you test these enviroments? I guess you just have to use the multi meter and intrinsically safe thermo camera , I have always just walk away when been ask to test these areas , you would probley course more harm than good taking the installation apart to inspect

 

[Engineer54]

So how do you test these enviroments? I guess you just have to use the multi meter and intrinsically safe thermo camera , I have always just walk away when been ask to test these areas , you would probley course more harm than good taking the installation apart to inspect

Me, i would still use my intrinsically safe metrohm insulation meter, but then it's going to be very doubtful it'll be anywhere in Europe!! lol!!

That Metrohm meter was the standard insulation test kit used throughout the world in hazardous areas and still is outside of Europe. Not a single instance has ever been recorded anywhere, of that Metrohm intrinsically safe insulation meter ever having caused a single incident in over 40 years since it was first introduced... It's still manufactured and still available to overseas buyers....

I think there is one other intrinsically safe insulation meter on the market, but can't remember it's maker...

 

[R G]

Metrohm ,I used to have one of these , its now a 7A501C , good meter these , analogue as well , which I preferred ..

 

[John Barclay]

Me, i would still use my intrinsically safe metrohm insulation meter, but then it's going to be very doubtful it'll be anywhere in Europe!! lol!!

That Metrohm meter was the standard insulation test kit used throughout the world in hazardous areas and still is outside of Europe. Not a single instance has ever been recorded anywhere, of that Metrohm intrinsically safe insulation meter ever having caused a single incident in over 40 years since it was first introduced... It's still manufactured and still available to overseas buyers....

I think there is one other intrinsically safe insulation meter on the market, but can't remember it's maker...

EIC ebinburgh have 1 cost a fotune t have I calibrated due o insinrily safe part