Commericial Jobs, Do i need to test?

[dixon9]

I dont 'get round' anything

I do PIR's on domestic properties and issue a generic PIR, which i am perfectly entitled to do

I do domestic installations and issue a generic EIC, and use my LABC for notifiable work

I do industrial installations and issue a generic EIC

what am i getting around

Fine. So what you are saying is that to do PIR´s in a domestic situation there is no requirement to be Part P registered? (I didn´t realise this - sorry - all I´m trying to do here is establish what you mean).

 

[Shakey]

Fine. So what you are saying is that to do PIR´s in a domestic situation there is no requirement to be Part P registered? (I didn´t realise this - sorry - all I´m trying to do here is establish what you mean).

Dixon ol' chap, there is no requirement to be Part P registered to do ANYTHING in a domestic property

and anyway, PIR's do not come under the Part P requirements, as you are not installing anything

 

[dixon9]

Well I realise if you notify LABC then you do not need to be Part P registered - didn´t realise you could do PIR´s without notifying though.

Interesting.

 

[Shakey]

Well I realise if you notify LABC then you do not need to be Part P registered - didn´t realise you could do PIR´s without notifying though.

Interesting.

yep, it is interesting....but think about it, electrical installation work in domestic dwellings is classed as 'building work', which is how it comes under the building regs in the form of Part P

but you are not installing anything

i did a PIR a while back

I KNOW the guy had done a rewire himself

I am fairly certain he did not use building control

I KNOW he did not do an EIC for the work

Did I care? not a jot. He commisioned me to do a PIR and thats what I did, I compiled a report on the condition of the existing installation, its nothing to do with me what was dne to get it into that condition

Part P didnt apply to me (but i made sure I ticked the box that said 'evidence of alteration/extension etc)

 

[dixon9]

yep, it is interesting....but think about it, electrical installation work in domestic dwellings is classed as 'building work', which is how it comes under the building regs in the form of Part P

but you are not installing anything

i did a PIR a while back

I KNOW the guy had done a rewire himself

I am fairly certain he did not use building control

I KNOW he did not do an EIC for the work

Did I care? not a jot. He commisioned me to do a PIR and thats what I did, I compiled a report on the condition of the existing installation, its nothing to do with me what was dne to get it into that condition

Part P didnt apply to me (but i made sure I ticked the box that said 'evidence of alteration/extension etc)

You mean you didn´t tick it (No DEIC) ? (í.e no doc evidence)

 

[keith]

Im a humble maintenance spark by trade and a little confused by nic eic /napit etc ...am considering doing 2391 ...done 16th in 2000 ....if i get 2391 do i need to inform labc if i do any domestic work and inspect and test myself

 

[WarrenG]

Im a humble maintenance spark by trade and a little confused by nic eic /napit etc ...am considering doing 2391 ...done 16th in 2000 ....if i get 2391 do i need to inform labc if i do any domestic work and inspect and test myself

Keith if you are a member of one of the scheme's such as Napit / NICEIC / Elecsa etc for domestic work, the scheme will notify the LABC on your behalf. But only for work that falls under Part P of the Building Regulations. Where it is notifiable.

Being a member of a scheme tends to be an easier and cheaper route if you do a lot of domestic work as the LABC will charge for every job you register with them under Part P.

Here is more info on Part P:

http://www.esc.org.uk/pdfs/safety-in-the-home/PartP.pdf

And a link to a Napit Guide to Part P with jobs that are notifiable

http://www.voltimum.co.uk/news/4016/s/NAPIT-Easy-Guide-to-PART-P.html

You would still give the customer a certificate for the work (i.e. Minor works or Electrical Installation Certificate) and log the job with your chosen scheme.

The scheme will then notify the local LABC for the area so no need for you to do it. The LABC then send to the customer's address additional confirmation that the electrical work undertaken by you complies with Part P of the building Regulations.

Obviously when you join a scheme they will be out to vet you, your qualifications, insurances etc, etc to meet with their criteria. Oh and charge you silly money for the privilege.


Some Scheme's

NAPIT - NAPIT - Home

NICEIC - Welcome to NICEIC, the home of electrical contracting excellence — NICEIC Group

Elecsa - Welcome to ELECSA


Hope this helps.

Warren

 

[keith]

Thanks for the information , things are much clearer now.

 

[Des 56]

well Mike many have asked the same question!!!

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you dont need 2391, to be a memeber of NICEIC, NAPIT or anyone else



You most certainly do need 2391 with Napit full scope
They dont have domestic installers, only niceic accept that level