Competent person and EICR

[TaffyDuck]

I`ve just had my annual coffee drinking exercise otherwise known as Part P assessment.

Obviously we discussed the weather, the price of fish and the new regs. No worries there.

One thing that my assessor did say however was that as of next year an electrician would need to prove his competence PRIOR to carrying out an EICR. According to him at least, as of 2016 only those electricians who hold CG 2391 or its new equivalent will be able to carry them out.

It will no longer be OK to just say you are competent, you will have to prove it.

Could be interesting, assuming he`s right,for those of us with 2391.

 

[Engineer54]

I have a question on all this and appreciate any advise. I done my 2394/95 (still low pass rate as 2391 which should be) in the last 6 months and we covered the EICR's in detail.

Here's what i dont understand. I'm employed for a non-electrical company and my role is facilities electrical engineer. I manage contractors, install, maintain and Inspection & Test a large factory with 1000+ employee's.

Due to fact i'm employed by the company, do i now need PI ?.
As i'm not part of schemes such as NIC,Napit etc due to being static work place for industrial and commercial only.

Being a PAYE employee you are (or should be) covered by the companies insurance policies.

 

[ruston]

But it is still your responsibility to do it right under the relevant acts etc, but I expect you already know that.

 

[GB.Kayak]

I have a question on all this and appreciate any advise. I done my 2394/95 (still low pass rate as 2391 which should be) in the last 6 months and we covered the EICR's in detail.

Here's what i dont understand. I'm employed for a non-electrical company and my role is facilities electrical engineer. I manage contractors, install, maintain and Inspection & Test a large factory with 1000+ employee's.

Due to fact i'm employed by the company, do i now need PI ?.
As i'm not part of schemes such as NIC,Napit etc due to being static work place for industrial and commercial only.

Though your activities come under your employer's umbrella, for insurance purposes, it may be that the company's insurers require certain levels of competency which are assured by your membership of a professional body. If your job title is as an 'electrical engineer', I would expect a membership at a suitable level in the IET would be more suitable. If, however, your job is the inspection and testing then it may be that one of the 'schemes' are more suitable. Your choice of registration will depend upon your qualification(s), level of experience and any training or professional development schemes that your employer is party to or that you can persuade your employer they need for 'safe' activity under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1989.

 

[Guest125]

Though your activities come under your employer's umbrella, for insurance purposes, it may be that the company's insurers require certain levels of competency which are assured by your membership of a professional body. If your job title is as an 'electrical engineer', I would expect a membership at a suitable level in the IET would be more suitable. If, however, your job is the inspection and testing then it may be that one of the 'schemes' are more suitable. Your choice of registration will depend upon your qualification(s), level of experience and any training or professional development schemes that your employer is party to or that you can persuade your employer they need for 'safe' activity under the Health and Safety at Work Act 1989.

I would disagree here.

If Industspark is an employee then his company and not him must be registered. He is working underneath their contract of employment and carrying out work on their behalf. If his company are asking him to register with a scam or whomever and for him to carry out works under they umbrella then that would not be appropriate and may well fall foul of employment law.

 

[Industspark]

If it is in your job description and done under their authority and instruction ,and you have the relevant experience and training I very much doubt it.

Thanks. This was my thinking too. I've been sparky for over 10 years, always been contractor until started my current role 10 months ago.
My role is to be the responsible electrical person for the estate, which thankfully is Industrial and commercial.

I certainly glad to have gotten away from the Domestic. Altough i do agree with the regulations so that not any cowboy loose on people's property which they've spent their entire lives struggling to pay for.
That said with all the hoops got to go through, we should be rewarded for compared to other trades.

 

[ruston]

Thanks. This was my thinking too. I've been sparky for over 10 years, always been contractor until started my current role 10 months ago.
My role is to be the responsible electrical person for the estate, which thankfully is Industrial and commercial.

I certainly glad to have gotten away from the Domestic. Altough i do agree with the regulations so that not any cowboy loose on people's property which they've spent their entire lives struggling to pay for.
That said with all the hoops got to go through, we should be rewarded for compared to other trades.

I wish you well . One thing I would add is that you make sure your contract is clearly defined and that you adhere to it . Any deviations from your duties and it goes wrong - the buck will stop with you.

Good luck in your new roll.:smile5:

 

[Industspark]

I would disagree here.

If Industspark is an employee then his company and not him must be registered. He is working underneath their contract of employment and carrying out work on their behalf. If his company are asking him to register with a scam or whomever and for him to carry out works under they umbrella then that would not be appropriate and may well fall foul of employment law.

My company isn't a scam.
Its not an electrical company, I work as electrician for them to maintain the estate, with increasing demand on production, and new plant being installed.

 

[Anthony S]

My company isn't a scam.
Its not an electrical company, I work as electrician for them to maintain the estate, with increasing demand on production, and new plant being installed.

laugh out loud

He mean't you as in yourself registering with a scam AKA scheme provider.

You got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[ruston]

laugh out loud

He mean't you as in yourself registering with a scam AKA scheme provider.

You got the wrong end of the stick.

Yes lol, I don't think the scheming scams have hit the industrial sector YET.

Well -Maybe jobs for the boys.........

 

[Anthony S]

Yes lol, I don't think the scheming scams have hit the industrial sector YET.

Well -Maybe jobs for the boys.........

No part of the Electrical Industry is Safe from Scam Modernisation lol

 

[Industspark]

Lol, yeh just re-read. Sorry

 

[Anthony S]

Lol, yeh just re-read. Sorry

To late mate, he just boarded the 2.30pm and on his way to find you lol

 

[ruston]

To late mate, he just boarded the 2.30pm and on his way to find you lol

Quite safe then lol.

Sorry UK could't resit it.

 

[Guest125]

Quite safe then lol.

Sorry UK could't resit it.

Leaves on the line...

 

[ruston]

Leaves on the line...

Leaving on time lol.