Conditional reporting , how in depth do you go to satisfy your recommendation

[Dozer 73]

Been sparking now 25yrs plus
Did testing and inspecting 10 year ago
Do a lot of new installation tests and conditional reports of our own installs once they are up for renewal , so don’t really have to put codes on any thing because it’s all usually pretty much up to current regs
This thread has been created because of my house rewire one last week
I don’t go into installation’s houses , factories etc and do conditional reporting
Where you you start delving deeper into the installation if you have suspicions thing are not right
Insulation resistance , just flood test at dB all line conductors to earth only
Today a thread has mentioned a metal sw with no earth to face plate , would you pick that up and physically unscrew face plate and check
How long would you spend testing a 3 bed house say
Like I say I’m far from an expert on conditional reporting and putting codes to items , just put this out for interesting chat and to pick up a few tips
Thanks in advance guys and girls

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That would take a substantial amount of time to perform.

Really?
I always allow for at least a day and charge appropriately. Perhaps I've been lucky, but it's never taken me longer than a day.

 

[westward10]

You loop test every light fitting on a small commercial, whatever small maybe.

 

[Octopus]

Zs at all points of utilisation

What do you define as a point of utilisation?

Out of interest what do you do when you are faced with a site, domestic or commercial that has downlights and /or "fancy" lights?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You loop test every light fitting on a small commercial, whatever small maybe.

Small would be factory units, workshops/garages, cafes, etc.

 

[westward10]

So you loop every light fitting.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

What do you define as a point of utilisation?

Out of interest what do you do when you are faced with a site, domestic or commercial that has downlights and /or "fancy" lights?

I think the most I've had to do is a house with 9 spots in the kitchen and 12 in the dining room.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So you loop every light fitting.

How else would you verify termination of CPC at each fitting?

 

[Octopus]

How else would you verify termination of CPC at each fitting?

So if it a class 2 LV fitting?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So if it a class 2 LV fitting?

Would find them mostly in dwellings, and to be honest many of them have terminal blocks wrapped up in insulting tape.
Factory units usually have fluorescent tubes.

 

[westward10]

How else would you verify termination of CPC at each fitting?

No need to you are only required to test at the extremity of a radial circuit. I wonder what is coming next.

 

[Ian1981]

Most of the time it is uneconomical to test every single fitting be it light and switch say for lighting circuits hence sampling is allowed.
Also R1+R2 testing is only a requirement of initial verification so zs testing is done to verify disconnection times are met at say each sampled fitting and the extremity of each radial circuit,which is why the degree of sampling say 30 or 40 % or whatever is required to be written/agreed on the eicr.

 

[westward10]

I am testing a fashion clothing shop tomorrow, 24 circuits which has 30 to 40 halide lights in a solid ceiling, you would drop every fitting and test it?

 

[Ian1981]

I am testing a fashion clothing shop tomorrow, 24 circuits which has 30 to 40 halide lights in a solid ceiling, you would drop every fitting and test it?

Perhaps you could pick up a new outfit for your avatar

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No need to you are only required to test at the extremity of a radial circuit. I wonder what is coming next.

Just because there is continuity at the end of circuit, does not ensure the CPC is terminated at each fitting.
I've seen CPCs twisted together that have fallen out of the terminal, I've also seen terminal blocks in flourescent fittings that are no longer connected to the body of the fitting.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I am testing a fashion clothing shop tomorrow, 24 circuits which has 30 to 40 halide lights in a solid ceiling, you would drop every fitting and test it?

That's for you and your customer to decide.
Of course you will know without having to take any down which is end of circuit.
You'll also know how many circuits they are on and which phases.
You'll also know whether the fittings are wired back to the board, or whether they are controlled by an LCM.