connections of cpc

[richy3333]

Old school stuff and its still found here and there, agree with eng 54 about the trunking being an earth but personally never liked it

Bugger, just did an install. I'm soooo unfashionable

 

[Mark6098]

Personally would agree there is no need to install separate cpc's but in the past 20 years of commercial/ industrial jobs I've been involved with never has the designer omitted cpc's on any distribution board schedule I've come across in an all metal containment system.

 

[Engineer54]

Personally would agree there is no need to install separate cpc's but in the past 20 years of commercial/ industrial jobs I've been involved with never has the designer omitted cpc's on any distribution board schedule I've come across in an all metal containment system.

Probably because the craftsmanship isn't there anymore, it's the ONLY reason i can think of, to fill a perfectly sound earthing system full of separate CPC's!!

 

[ipf]

On a job last month, leisure centre type of place, complete revamp just been done. Most of the lv installation was done in trunking and galv conduit and looked good......until you got close up. Above the suspended ceiling, lids missing all over the place, screws from joints and almost every mbb I came across was like Slack Alice. Maybe that's why they're insisting on separate cpc's. Once again, standards on the slide and, to some extent, overlooked. And, shouldn't be needed, I know but who the hell checks what's going on ? Never thought I'd be saying it but 'Oh for the old Clerk of Works'

 

[Engineer54]

On a job last month, leisure centre type of place, complete revamp just been done. Most of the lv installation was done in trunking and galv conduit and looked good......until you got close up. Above the suspended ceiling, lids missing all over the place, screws from joints and almost every mbb I came across was like Slack Alice. Maybe that's why they're insisting on separate cpc's. Once again, standards on the slide and, to some extent, overlooked. And, shouldn't be needed, I know but who the hell checks what's going on ? Never thought I'd be saying it but 'Oh for the old Clerk of Works'

So much for the ''Approved Contractor'' Status that's being banded about, as being the bee's knees of the industry!! lol!!

Electrical installation work above false ceilings should be signed off as being complete (along with any other services work eg ''ceiling closure certificate'') before any false ceiling are errected on any half decent project/contract. As you say, that would have been the Clerk of Works responsibility to head an inspection team with all the associated contractors/sub-contractors on the small to smaller medium projects/contracts....

Have the Clerk of Works disappeared altogether now then??

 

[ipf]

So much for the ''Approved Contractor'' Status that's being banded about, as being the bee's knees of the industry!! lol!!

Electrical installation work above false ceilings should be signed off as being complete (along with any other services work eg ''ceiling closure certificate'') before any false ceiling are errected on any half decent project/contract. As you say, that would have been the Clerk of Works responsibility to head an inspection team with all the associated contractors/sub-contractors on the small to smaller medium projects/contracts....

Have the Clerk of Works disappeared altogether now then??

Not come across any what you would call 'proper 'uns' in the last ten to fifteen years. All local authority work used to come under the scrutiny of an engineer who knew his particular field. Within that period I've had young lads or lasses, from behind desks, making occasional visits to site and asking how things are progressing rather than insisting on standards being met. I have had some who knew the building game, in a general sense, but, as an example, remember one fella in charge of a job, asking my advice on electrical principles whilst preparing for course exams. Probably never even had a screwdriver in his hand....except at the christmas do, that is.

 

[sparks1234]

So much for the ''Approved Contractor'' Status that's being banded about, as being the bee's knees of the industry!! lol!!

Electrical installation work above false ceilings should be signed off as being complete (along with any other services work eg ''ceiling closure certificate'') before any false ceiling are errected on any half decent project/contract. As you say, that would have been the Clerk of Works responsibility to head an inspection team with all the associated contractors/sub-contractors on the small to smaller medium projects/contracts....

Have the Clerk of Works disappeared altogether now then??

Thats lovely, a bit more paperwork we would all have to do!!!!!

 

[Engineer54]

Thats lovely, a bit more paperwork we would all have to do!!!!!

If you are referring to the ''Ceiling Closure Certificate'' which i assume you are, that's a typical response by someone that can't see the wood for the tree's, otherwise you would see it benefits ALL concerned!! Standard procedure on ALL major projects, and has been for donkey's years!! Oh well never mind!! lol!!

 

[sparks1234]

If you are referring to the ''Ceiling Closure Certificate'' which i assume you are, that's a typical response by someone that can't see the wood for the tree's, otherwise you would see it benefits ALL concerned!! Standard procedure on ALL major projects, and has been for donkey's years!! Oh well never mind!! lol!!

That's what you paper pushers like though, big heap of certificates..lol

 

[Engineer54]

That's what you paper pushers like though, big heap of certificates..lol

Still can't see the wood for the tree's then eh??


Ay, but the difference between you and me is, that i am more than capable of doing both the contractual paperwork and the hand's on side of things, ...and without having to ask any daft or elementary questions....

 

[pepparz]

Thus, by definition I am better than yous!

 

[Engineer54]

Thus, by definition I am better than yous!

Say's the man that counts his years of experience in dog years, and is happy cable tieing newly installed cable to an existing installtion!! lol!!

 

[pepparz]

I don't think I'm the worlds best, but you do friend.

 

[sparks1234]

Still can't see the wood for the tree's then eh??


Ay, but the difference between you and me is, that i am more than capable of doing both the contractual paperwork and the hand's on side of things, ...and without having to ask any daft or elementary questions....

LOL
you assume to much sunshine

i unfortunately have to do the contractural, not that I enjoy it at all, the whole of the industry is so tied up in paperwork these days, everybody covering their own backsides so that they don't get shafted.

I think from the kind of responses you are getting you seem to be quite in the minority, but of course we would all be wrong. LOL

you also come up with daft goals for TT systems which are impracticle for general installations.
You live in a different world to general sparkies as you work on these large projects and has been said before "not in the real world"

 

[Engineer54]

LOL
you assume to much sunshine

i unfortunately have to do the contractural, not that I enjoy it at all, the whole of the industry is so tied up in paperwork these days, everybody covering their own backsides so that they don't get shafted.

I think from the kind of responses you are getting you seem to be quite in the minority, but of course we would all be wrong. LOL

you also come up with daft goals for TT systems which are impracticle for general installations.
You live in a different world to general sparkies as you work on these large projects and has been said before "not in the real world"

I don't think i assume too much at all, contractual paperwork is just that ''Contractual'' and that my friend ''IS'' living in the real world!! Much of which is directly related to if, when and how people are paid for work carried out/performed!!

They are only daft goals to lazy buggers that can't be arsed!!

 

[Engineer54]

I don't think I'm the worlds best, but you do friend.

Not at all, but i'm pretty damned sure i know a little more than someone that lives in ''Utopia''!! lol!!

 

[pepparz]

That reply took a long time
Utopia is a reference to zappa, not something that you would relate to.

 

[Engineer54]

A blast from the past!! Sounds about right though... lol!!

 

[pepparz]

smashie and niceie, alright. Haha.