Cowboy Electricians and Installation Certificates

[J L]

My uncle had his house re-wired but received no EIC or indeed any paperwork a few years ago, I want to know the best way I can help fix the situation, the rouge sparkies left no trace of who they were so he is left with this potentially dangerous situation. I am a new qualified sparkie worked with electrics for years and now qualified to 17th edition and have full scope Stroma certification for domestic dwellings and I want to help him, so legally I can do the work but what is recommeneded way forward?, do I carry out a EICR to certify the installtion is safe?, is this the best way to generate the paperwork for this installtion to prove it is safe?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Are you registered with Stroma for EICR's?

I don’t know about Stroma, but many CPS require an additional qualification (2391 eg) and that you take out Professional Indemnity insurance, if you are carrying out EICRs and other test and inspection work.

 

[Spoon]

I'm a bit confused by this thread. If the OP knows how to do a EICR properly then I don't see the problem.
It does sound like some of you are saying a person who has been doing EICR's for 10 years is better than someone doing them for 8... Yes every day is a learning day but if you know how to do a job properly then how long you have been doing it doesn't always count.

 

[westward10]

I think the simple answer is yes carry out an EICR. This can be done by yourself if you feel it is within your scope of knowledge/experience or by a third party although the latter will obviously cost money.

 

[Taylortwocities]

You need to decide what the EICR is for.
As above, if it’s to check it out for your Uncle then go ahead.
If he/you wants to regularise the installation with LABC, then you need to check with them if they will accept your report, and what the cost is.

 

[The Ghost]

Why do you think the installation is dangerous?

 

[Taylortwocities]

potentially dangerous

 

[The Ghost]

He also said

rouge sparkies

I see these guys with red cheeks (face:Sigh)making off with the dough.

 

[sparksfly]

I am with westwood 10 on this ....Carry out an EICR for piece of mind at least & dont skimp on the IR testing or inspection parts. As for Part P well it needs shelving (not the wood kind !!) since its inception it was flawed. Some home owners have been advised to take out an insurance policy when selling their property if no Part P cert was available... anyway...insurance companies, don't you just love them!!. Scrap Part P, the selling of consumer units and certain electrical items in big sheds, introduce a Licence scheme....or wasn't "Electric safe" a good idea for the general public to understand ?...until politics got in the way!!....I'm off my soap box now sorry (BTW...I'm Part P approved keeping someone in employment with more tick sheets)

 

[sparksfly]

sorry I ment I agree with Westward 10....Ive had a tooth pulled today...it has affected my eyes !!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Lots of newly qualified electricians join S.A.E.P.S
(self appointed electrical police squad)

 

[Octopus]

Lots of newly qualified electricians join S.A.E.P.S
(self appointed electrical police squad)

Not sure I understand what you mean?

 

[Pete999]

Not sure I understand what you mean?

Think about it?

 

[Toneyz]

I wish we could get away from this " Part P approved/qualified line.
it should be I belong to eg Stroma C.P.Scheme etc.
I know it has been mentioned above but who employed the electricians the O.P.Uncle?.

 

[Sparkingmad]

Part P should have been the registered license scheme where whoever you sign up issues a photo ID card with expiry date as part of the scheme membership and you can only purchase certain electrical items with it. Alas the big DIY chains won the battle based on financial reasons and not public safety!
Rant over .
I would first carry out EICR and like others said go over it with a fine tooth comb. I would steer clear of signing it off for Part P if you have 3rd party certification as part of your scheme remit, unless you want to lift floor boards etc and check that they have complied fully with building regs and BS7671. Remember once you sign it off you are then guaranteeing their workmanship and assuming full responsibility for it.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Very little information has been given as to why this installation is potentially dangerous and carried out by 'rouge' cowboy electricians other than lack of paperwork. If it is that bad it is likely to be obvious to an experienced electrician with just a cursory visual check.
Seen this on here before, newly qualified, bursting with self importance, self appointed electrical police. If I've got that wrong OP lets see some evidence by way of pictures of the rogue installation.