cu change price at the big orange shed

[applemac]

went down the warehouse full of edjits today looking for garden stuff

wondered down the leccy isle to find a big notice consumer unit change by our local blah blah £449.. not inc bonding or any faults...

im charging £350 including new tails not inc bonding...

sorry no pics :]

 

[sparks1973]

If you restricted sales at the Diy store to the competent person,the Niceic would soon see the niche market for more numbers

I can well imagine a stall, manned by Tony Cable,it could be set up next to the Dist boards in order to "sign em on" before they spend all their money on that flash swanky tripping fuse thingy

Being electrically challenged would not hold any obstacles to the punters,or at least,thus far, it hasn't impacted on nicy just yet
They could even start a B+Q installer scheme for the electrically challenged, who then are deemed "skilled this thursday"installers/ members

Perhaps these new breed of installers can have 10% off the cost of their next course, the "double socket installers upgrade"
Niceic awarded of course and exclusive to the B+Q skilled this Thursday sector
The opportunities are indeed endless

go to some of the elex shows Des...he already has a stand....with a microphone...and a script that says `100 ohms max Ra`....and `the importance of getting a Zs`...lol..you really should hear him...lol..lol...

 

[Engineer54]

Rolls-can-hardly???? - What's this??? Oh now I get it.That's soooooooooooo funny LOL!!!
"And who are the electrically challenged then??”- Nonqualified, non competent people and the general public etc etc. Electricity at WorkRegulations stipulates clearly who is and who is not competent to work on electrical systems in th eyes of the law.
"Who are you going to allow to purchase electricalaccessories/goods etc??”- Qualified Electricians, competent persons andElectrical contracting companies. Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 refersto competent person and I don't think they mean Ken Dodd, or maybe they do?
If you want electricians to be proactive, start by sortingout and cleaning up your own industry, ...Now that really does need someserious work doing on. So what industry are you referring to here??? I presumethat you are an Electrical contractor working in the Electrical industry, so Iguess that would be you dipped in the same paint tin as us all. Or do you justwork at the local B&Q giving the how too seminars and selling the DIYidiots the stuff??? LOL!!!!

Your a funny guy yourself, ...just that you can't see any further than the end of your nose!!

Electricity at Work Regulations 1989?? So when did DIY home improvement come under this??

Competent Persons?? Are you talking about the 17 day Wizz kids here??

Non-qualified non competent people and the general public?? Not sure if you are referring again here, to the 17 day wizz kids?

Starting to get the message yet, there are as many competent DIY'ers as there are in the trade these day's!! ...FACT!!

I'm afraid You have presumed wrong, a bit like everything else you've posted on this subject. ...lol!!!

 

[Des 56]

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do you justwork at the local B&Q LOL!!!!
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I'm afraid You have presumed wrong

And there's me thinking engineer joined B+Q to see the world :shocked3:

 

[oldtimer]

PG you mention how long will the JIB last well I would like to think 20 years to see me out but seriously we are looking down to the abyss because if the Schemies get control of Grade cards then we are in trouble as for big sheds well that genie is out of the bottle because big business talks and in this current economical climate the government listens now we could make it like Gas Safe here but a lot of "Professional Electricians" would gladly get sucked into "Danger Notices" in other words a license to print money but what everybody is missing is this notification scheme because it aint and it wont work there will be no Notification Police kicking doors in and shouting right mate your busted for putting in a twin RCD safety board that by the way makes your installation 100 times safer which make you think why have notification in the first place and thats where the Schemies come because its their job to make you think you need them when European Free Trade Act says otherwise

 

[PGTips]

Your a funny guy yourself, ...just that you can't see any further than the end of your nose!!

Electricity at Work Regulations 1989?? So when did DIY home improvement come under this??

Competent Persons?? Are you talking about the 17 day Wizz kids here??

Non-qualified non competent people and the general public?? Not sure if you are referring again here, to the 17 day wizz kids?

Starting to get the message yet, there are as many competent DIY'ers as there are in the trade these day's!! ...FACT!!

I'm afraid You have presumed wrong, a bit like everything else you've posted on this subject. ...lol!!!

Since whencan you complete a fully indentured recognised Electrical apprenticeship in 17days? Never heard of that one?
TheElectricity at Work Act 1989 applies to all buildings where electrical work hasbeen carried, or is being carried out, either by qualified or non-qualifiedpersonnel and as I’ve pointed out to you before, isthe law.
It’s the one thatthe barrister will quote the DIY’er, who had just decided to wire a new socket into his house circuit, but didn’t really see the point in attaching the barecopper wire, or test the socket correctly and then killed his 5 year old.
Yeh I’mpretty sure that would be one of the documents that would hit the DIY’er on theback of the head, as they take him down for man slaughter, if he’s found incontempt of it.
Which by thesound of it you probably have been many times. LOL!!!
I don't knowwhat type of jobs you work on but I'm afraid a DIY'er as you put it will neverbe as good as a fully qualified apprentice trained Electrician, don't care whatyou say, and after all how could he be?
I didn't knowthat a practicing DIY'er carried out cable calculations, applied diversity andused Zs tables, or is DIY the new apprenticeship and holly bible of theelectrical industry these days? Last time I looked you couldn't get on to aproper job with a B&Q loyalty card. LOL!!! Or have things really got thatbad LOL??
So you justpack the bags for them do you? Don't get involved with all that Electricalstuff and the seminars. Yeeeeh Best way forward for you I think. LOL!!!

 

[Engineer54]

Since whencan you complete a fully indentured recognised Electrical apprenticeship in 17days? Never heard of that one?
TheElectricity at Work Act 1989 applies to all buildings where electrical work hasbeen carried, or is being carried out, either by qualified or non-qualifiedpersonnel and as I’ve pointed out to you before, isthe law.
It’s the one thatthe barrister will quote the DIY’er, who had just decided to wire a new socket into his house circuit, but didn’t really see the point in attaching the barecopper wire, or test the socket correctly and then killed his 5 year old.
Yeh I’mpretty sure that would be one of the documents that would hit the DIY’er on theback of the head, as they take him down for man slaughter, if he’s found incontempt of it.
Which by thesound of it you probably have been many times. LOL!!!
I don't knowwhat type of jobs you work on but I'm afraid a DIY'er as you put it will neverbe as good as a fully qualified apprentice trained Electrician, don't care whatyou say, and after all how could he be?
I didn't knowthat a practicing DIY'er carried out cable calculations, applied diversity andused Zs tables, or is DIY the new apprenticeship and holly bible of theelectrical industry these days? Last time I looked you couldn't get on to aproper job with a B&Q loyalty card. LOL!!! Or have things really got thatbad LOL??
So you justpack the bags for them do you? Don't get involved with all that Electricalstuff and the seminars. Yeeeeh Best way forward for you I think. LOL!!!

Haha, ...a Real funny guy, ...well still trying to be anyway... lol!!

Exactly, so you have never heard of the 5/4 week wonders and now the 17 day Wizz kids, that can go on these short courses, get the 17th edition C&G, (and that's all they have, unless you count PAT testing as an appropriate qualification for an electrician) approach a Part Pee scheme provider pay there fee and bingo, he's a competent person, that can now go into peoples homes and undertake any electrical work in that home!!!! So are you getting the picture NOW, or do you Still have your head up in the clouds??

Most sensible DIY'ers wouldn't ever attempt a CU change, Part re-wire, full re-wire, but will be more than capable of adding/moving a socket outlet(s) to a circuit, or replacing accessory plates etc, etc. Fact is you'll never be able to stop a DIY'er, they will always find a way around any legislation that tries to stop them improving there home. If he's daft enough to go meddling beyond his abilities, in any area, not just electrical work, that's his concern, not yours, mine or anyone else's.... By the way, as far as i know, ''The Electricity at Work Act 1989'' applies to places of employed work, Not anything a DIYer would be doing in his own home. The clue lies in the title of the Act!!!

 

[Plonker 3]

Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 refersto competent person and I don't think they mean Ken Dodd, or maybe they do?

Directly from the EAWR 1989

16. No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the nature of the work.

So basically you you do not need any electrical qualifications to carry out electrical work.

The only way to make it happen would be to change the law, which isn't going to happen any time soon. Why do you think Part P was introduced?

 

[Engineer54]

Directly from the EAWR 1989
16. No person shall be engaged in any work activity where technical knowledge or experience is necessary to prevent danger or, where appropriate, injury, unless he possesses such knowledge or experience, or is under such degree of supervision as may be appropriate having regard to the nature of the work.

Engaged, ...means within this regulation, someone that is directed/instructed by an employer.

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[oldtimer]

Directly from the EAWR 1989


So basically you you do not need any electrical qualifications to carry out electrical work.

The only way to make it happen would be to change the law, which isn't going to happen any time soon. Why do you think Part P was introduced?


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Part P was introduced to keep the Schemies in jobs and gold plated pensions lol

 

[Plonker 3]

Part P was introduced to keep the Schemies in jobs and gold plated pensions lol

Oh yeah silly me

 

[dagrat]

I think it must be remembered that because the sheds can sell these items, it is a means of keeping prices from the wholesales in check. We shouldnt advocate any limitations on the sale of electrical items as this will be counter-productive in the long run, education of the public is a far better alternative.
The arguement about the increased risk of danger is a mute point, what about the various household items that can be used to make a bomb, the car parts that could lead to serious loss of life and finally cigarettes? Surely more people are killed due to these than electrical faults?

 

[Engineer54]

Why do you think Part P was introduced?

From what i've read on the subject, ...to ensure that only competent persons undertook electrical work in the domestic industry!! Well that failed miserably, didn't it!! Now we have DI's going from stacking shelves at Tesco's to being deemed competent in 17day's.... As if by MAGIC!! lol!!!

 

[trev]

We also have the implication that non domestic electrical installations are less dangerous. Ridiculous

 

[MDJ]

It took me 5 years to get my card from the time I started my apprenticeship, how the hell can you become qualified after 17 days? I just don't get it, what is this 17 days crap?

 

[trev]

You can't become a qualified electrician but you can get the necessary quals for scheme membership, the training centres word their ads very cleverly. One says "complete these courses and you would be eligible to become a qualified electrician" a lot of people read what they want to see so couple that with scheme membership and you have people wandering around unsupervised thinking they're a lot more than they actually are