Definitive answer please - EICR

[MarkySparky1962]

Morning All

Please can someone provide me a definitive answer to matters pertaining EICR
As a NICEIC Domestic Installer I hold C&G 2392, 2393, and my 18th Ed.
I’m keen for this thread not to descend into a 5 day pay as you go wonder v 90 years on the tools indented apprentices how very dare you!


Is it legal (specifically) for me to conduct EICR work? Let’s make the assumption that I have the competency and experience to complete this safely, effectively and efficiently.

Thanks

 

[Spoon]

Morning All

Please can someone provide me a definitive answer to matters pertaining EICR
As a NICEIC Domestic Installer I hold C&G 2392, 2393, and my 18th Ed.
I’m keen for this thread not to descend into a 5 day pay as you go wonder v 90 years on the tools indented apprentices how very dare you!


Is it legal (specifically) for me to conduct EICR work? Let’s make the assumption that I have the competency and experience to complete this safely, effectively and efficiently.

Thanks

Welcome to the forum mate.
Appendix 6 of the regs just state the below:
The Electrical Installation Certificate required by Part 6 should be made out and signed or otherwise authenticated by a skilled person or persons in respect of the design, construction, inspection and testing of the work.
I don't think there is any 'legal' requirements.

Skilled person (electrically). Person who possesses, as appropriate to the nature of the electrical work to be undertaken, adequate education, training and practical skills, and who is able to perceive risks and avoid hazards which electricity can create.
NOTE 1: The term "(electrically)" is assumed to be present where the term 'skilled person' is used throughout BS 7671.
NOTE 2: Regulation 16 of the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 requires persons to be competent to prevent danger and injury. The HSE publication HSR25 provides guidance on this.

 

[Dustydazzler]

absolutely any competent person can conduct an EICR

Most people 3 day wonders or 150 year time served who belong to a scam would generally be considered competent

As would any sparks who holds a valid testing and inspection qualification

For example I spent 3 years at college and 6 years of training to become a sparks , so I would deem my self competent (just)

 

[Richard Burns]

If you have the competence and experience to correctly and safely complete the inspection and testing of an installation and make a valid and justifiable report on its condition then you are allowed to do this.
The legal requirements would come from the Electricity at work Regulations which require the persons doing the work to be competent at doing the work.

Separate from a legal issue the requirements of the wiring regulations is covered by Spoon above.
The requirements of competence are often preferred to be backed by qualificational support and this would generally mean passing exams on the periodic inspection and testing of existing electrical installations.
The requirements of the person requesting the report may cover appropriate training as evidenced by exams passed and appropriate membership of a supporting body such as a competent person scheme covering EICRs.

 

[MarkySparky1962]

absolutely any competent person can conduct an EICR

Most people 3 day wonders or 150 year time served who belong to a scam would generally be considered competent

As would any sparks who holds a valid testing and inspection qualification

For example I spent 3 years at college and 6 years of training to become a sparks , so I would deem my self competent (just)

Are you of the opinion that NICEIC schemes are ‘scams’ or have I misunderstood?
Btw no offence intended by my sardonic 5DW v 90yr etc!!! Just my daft sense of humour!!! ; )

 

[The Ghost]

Legality in doing EICR may require a couple of other things assuming you are competent etc. Namely indemnity insurance (£250.000) on top of PL insurance. I don't know what scheme you are with but Stroma require the 2391 or nowadays equivalent, to endorse doing EICR, maybe your scheme does. Maybe worth checking on.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Are you of the opinion that NICEIC schemes are ‘scams’ or have I misunderstood?
Btw no offence intended by my sardonic 5DW v 90yr etc!!! Just my daft sense of humour!!! ; )

Anyone who takes money off someone for doing something they would otherwise do without having to have Z money extracted from their bank account on a regular basis is a scam imo

I’m setting up the lawn mowing safety competency council soon , I will be charging £650er year so you can be vetted in the art of mowing in straight lines....

 

[Donkey_Dave]

The NICEIC do not allow their logo to be used on a domestic installer's EICR, that privileged (?) is reserved for Approved installers

 

[plugsandsparks]

What jumped out at me is the word in the title "definitive" and then "legal"

Sadly, in the terms of an electrician, the "facts" could be in dispute in a court room.
i.e. "competent" "skilled"
This leaves the door open to the prosecution to argue a case against you.
Thats the way the law works.
If i had to argue that i was skilled and competent, i would list my electrical qualifications, the number and range of EICR's i had completed, the years of experience designing and installing electrical installations and let the prosecution pick the bones out of it.
So , in summary, there is no definitive answer for you IMHO

 

[Spoon]

The NICEIC do not allow their logo to be used on a domestic installer's EICR, that privileged (?) is reserved for Approved installers

So what is the difference between a 'domestic installer' and an 'approved installer'?

 

[ruston]

An approved installer is approved in all disciplines , not just confined to domestic.
In the old days they were tested on all aspects of electrical work , and were quite strict in their selection.

 

[Donkey_Dave]

Maybe I should have said Approved Contractor
The difference is the scope of works

 

[MarkySparky1962]

Welcome to the forum mate.
Appendix 6 of the regs just state the below:
The Electrical Installation Certificate required by Part 6 should be made out and signed or otherwise authenticated by a skilled person or persons in respect of the design, construction, inspection and testing of the work.
I don't think there is any 'legal' requirements.

Skilled person (electrically). Person who possesses, as appropriate to the nature of the electrical work to be undertaken, adequate education, training and practical skills, and who is able to perceive risks and avoid hazards which electricity can create.
NOTE 1: The term "(electrically)" is assumed to be present where the term 'skilled person' is used throughout BS 7671.
NOTE 2: Regulation 16 of the Electricity at Work Regulations 1989 requires persons to be competent to prevent danger and injury. The HSE publication HSR25 provides guidance on this.

Thanks Spoon

Very kind welcome and sound advice!

 

[telectrix]

it's actually "domestic installer" as recognised in domestic only or "approved contractor" as in fully qualified electrician.( going by niceic definitions) an AC is recognised as competent and qualified to work in all sectors.

 

[telectrix]

Thanks Spoon

Very kind welcome and sound advice!

agree with spoon. oops, now i've done it. he'll be getting uppity now.