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So a third party and highly biased interpretation from a company which stands to profit from it. Not exactly the best source of useful information is it?

I don't understand what you are getting at TBH? I find the new reg about noncombustible DB's a load of bollox IMO. I just pointed out what 1 manufacturers stance was on the situation.
 
I like the look of the Hagar boards.
I do believe they come with grommet strips (could be wrong).
They are made to be able to use different size trunking with the knock outs so that satisfies the IP issues and as said previously there is no provision needed to make the entries "fire sealed" as this is not mentioned in the new regulations.
Leesparky states the Beema reference which makes it clear what needs to be made and installed.
Also the cable clamps only come with the 30 version I think (could be wrong again) but sure it could be used in the 10 version.
The tails kit are great, used them for ages but it looks like they will not be used in the new boards.
 
I really don't think they are going to change the meaning of English words though.

Is is this better from the Oxford dictionary:

Made of material that does not burn if exposed to fire; incombustible.


That's no specific enough for this application of the phrase, the temperature the material is going to be exposed to needs to be defined.
Steel will burn if exposed to fire of sufficient temperature,
 
I really don't think they are going to change the meaning of English words though.

Is is this better from the Oxford dictionary:

Made of material that does not burn if exposed to fire; incombustible.


That's no specific enough for this application of the phrase, the temperature the material is going to be exposed to needs to be defined.
Steel will burn if exposed to fire of sufficient temperature,

no, fire MIGHT cause steel to oxidize, depending on the alloy, but think of steel as a block of ice. Steel melts at 2800 degrees F and boils and evaporates at 5400 degrees. Some metals like magnesium can possibly catch fire but not steel

The IEE cannot just redefine the English language.
 
no, fire MIGHT cause steel to oxidize, depending on the alloy, but think of steel as a block of ice. Steel melts at 2800 degrees F and boils and evaporates at 5400 degrees. Some metals like magnesium can possibly catch fire but not steel

The IEE cannot just redefine the English language.

Leave steel in a forge for too long and it will be burning when you pull it out.
 
We are talking about a regulation which requires a non-combustible material, but offers no definition of non-combustible.

Why do you need BS7671 to tell you the definition of a well used English word? Non-combustible means a material that does not ignite itself when a flame is in contact with it. I think you are joking now. Lol.
 
Why do you need BS7671 to tell you the definition of a well used English word? Non-combustible means a material that does not ignite itself when a flame is in contact with it. I think you are joking now. Lol.

I am not joking.
Language by it's very nature is constantly evolving and subject to regional variations and interpretation. Different dictionaries will give different definitions of the same word.
 
I am not joking.
Language by it's very nature is constantly evolving and subject to regional variations and interpretation. Different dictionaries will give different definitions of the same word.


We are talking about the English language not regional dialect or slang. Yes language evolves. So has this thread.
 
The steel wool exercise illustrates the principle on metal so thin that the heat provided by a candle allows for oxidization with the oxygen present in the atmosphere.

You didn't give any limits on the thickness of the material in your definition of non-combustible so that must count as proof that steel is combustible by your definition surely?
 
It is entirely the fault of the IET for this half-arsed badly thought out reg.

On one hand they were saying this amd was to harmonise with other international standards and Europe, okay so far if that was what is meant...

Then they ignore one international standard completely (glow wire test) because it does not fit their narrative, then we find this particular reg has a 200 suffix, which means it is a UK only reg, so much for harmonising with Europe then!, oh! and for good measure we will delay the implementation of said BS (Bull $hit :) ) for another year, you could not make this S*it up if you tried lol.
 
It is entirely the fault of the IET for this half-arsed badly thought out reg.

On one hand they were saying this amd was to harmonise with other international standards and Europe, okay so far if that was what is meant...

Then they ignore one international standard completely (glow wire test) because it does not fit their narrative, then we find this particular reg has a 200 suffix, which means it is a UK only reg, so much for harmonising with Europe then!, oh! and for good measure we will delay the implementation of said BS (Bull $hit :) ) for another year, you could not make this S*it up if you tried lol.

spot on lol
 

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