Do I need a certificate?

[Gingernut]

Morning,
I live in a rental property and when I moved in I fitted an outside socket. Was an easy job as it was fitted at the other side of the wall to a kitchen socket so I just took it from the kitchen circuit.
The landlord has said he requires it registering and a certification providing.
Is this correct as it has only been fitted using an existing circuit?
Appreciate your help.
Thanks

 

[robd]

Don't think it is a notifiable job as it did not require a new circuit am sure someone will put me right if I've misunderstood that one though. I would say it he owns the property though he's perfectly entitled to want to see that any work has been done to a decent a compliant standard that may be where he's coming from on this one.

 

[robd]

As an edit each job should at least have a minor works certificate so you should be able to show him that with test readings on it of course

 

[Gingernut]

Thanks, was told I may need the job registering somewhere and a certificate providing because it's classed as a special location. Not sure if that is correct or not.

 

[robd]

I believe it's not notifiable any more because it's not a new circuit but you do need some testers and a minor works certificate otherwise your still on a sticky wicket

 

[Gingernut]

Ok thanks. Just advise me what sort of cost that should be if I ask an electrician to do that for me. I don't know what that involves and don't want to get ripped off just to get a certificate. Thanks

 

[Pete999]

Morning,
I live in a rental property and when I moved in I fitted an outside socket. Was an easy job as it was fitted at the other side of the wall to a kitchen socket so I just took it from the kitchen circuit.
The landlord has said he requires it registering and a certification providing.
Is this correct as it has only been fitted using an existing circuit?
Appreciate your help.
Thanks

A MNW minor new works certificate is required, you have altered an existing circuit

 

[Gingernut]

Ok, rough cost of getting one please?

 

[Dustydazzler]

I charge £45 per circuit + call out

so £95

 

[Gingernut]

?

 

[telectrix]

I charge £45 per circuit + call out

so £95

that's cheap, all the way to Scarborough and backmfrom slurry.

 

[Dustydazzler]

that's cheap, all the way to Scarborough and backmfrom slurry.

+ mileage ?

 

[littlespark]

If your outside socket was on a flex and simply plugged into the kitchen socket, it wouldn’t need any cert.

 

[timhoward]

I was going to suggest exactly what @littlespark wrote.
Otherwise, if you find someone near you to test/certify it they may not charge callout.
Is the circuit the socket is connected to RCD protected?

 

[DPG]

Out of interest, did your landlord give you the go ahead to do this?

 

[Rockingit]

Just a point of technicality..... as it's non-notifiable there's nothing to prevent the OP from producing their own MWC based on the model forms.

(I can hear the gasps from Somerset....)

 

[DPG]

Just a point of technicality..... as it's non-notifiable there's nothing to prevent the OP from producing their own MWC based on the model forms.

(I can hear the gasps from Somerset....)

Hope the OP's MFT is in cal ?

 

[Pete999]

A MNW minor new works certificate is required, you have altered an existing circuit

As an aside it will be difficult to issue cert after the event, as the tester will need to see evidence of how the install was installed in the first place, that's how I see it anyway, others may disagree.

 

[loz2754]

Might be easier to remove the socket

 

[Dustydazzler]

And sling an extension lead out the window

 

[Vortigern]

I don't know how long you have lived there but recently there is a legal requirement to produce an EICR for rented property has he done so? He should have provided that in the month of April according to the ESPRS. Your LL must provide you with a copy. How about you ask him for a cert if he has not given it to you @Gingernut ?

 

[DPG]

I don't know how long you have lived there but recently there is a legal requirement to produce an EICR for rented property has he done so? He should have provided that in the month of April according to the ESPRS. Your LL must provide you with a copy. How about you ask him for a cert if he has not given it to you @Gingernut ?

I think I'd be keeping my mouth shut personally. It seems like the OP has carried out unauthorised (and probably untested) electrical work on a property that doesn't even belong to him.

 

[Vortigern]

Sounds like that cat is out the bag already @DPG. I was just thinking if he had not then he could have included the socket in the EICR. As there is no requirement for notification or testing there is really no need to comply with the LLs request unless the tenancy agreement specifically excludes such material alteration to the electrical installation. I personally think the LL is being a bit of a mmmm never mind!

 

[DPG]

Sounds like that cat is out the bag already @DPG. I was just thinking if he had not then he could have included the socket in the EICR. As there is no requirement for notification or testing there is really no need to comply with the LLs request unless the tenancy agreement specifically excludes such material alteration to the electrical installation. I personally think the LL is being a bit of a mmmm never mind!

Any tenancy agreement would not generally allow addition or alteration to the fixed wiring.

If that was my house I can guarantee I would be having very strong words with the tenant.

Also I disagree with your comment about no testing being required. Any additional fixed wiring should be tested.

 

[brianmoooore]

Can't see much point in a MWC now, if a recent EICR has been done. Any problems with the socket should be picked up by a properly done EICR.

 

[Vortigern]

Yeh @DPG you are right indeed an MEIWC does need to be issued as in 644.4.201

 

[Zerax]

Any tenancy agreement would not generally allow addition or alteration to the fixed wiring.

I certainly don't allow any of my tenants to do anything... but a mate of mine is very happy for one of his tenants to do whatever they want... he's totally redecorated the house, refitted the bathroom etc etc... no idea of the quality of the work. Having said that... I did have to visit the place a few weeks ago as he was trying to change a light fitting and had a few issues that I had to sort out for him.