Do integrated downlights help sparks make more profit?

[Alla Musica]

Hi all,

Just curiously wondering, do integrated downlights actually help electricians earn more profit?

It seems nowadays some sparks do urge their clients to swap out their conventional downlights for new integrated LED fixtures - I really wonder what's behind that? Might it be that, once they fail in the future, sparks could pick up more jobs to replace them and hence earn more money? (leaving aside that integrated downlights have better thermal management etc.)

Thanks in advance, and I apologize if this sounds offending.

 

[Yellowhammer]

For me, I fit temp and wattage adjustable units. I can keep some on the van and cover most eventualities with a single unit if needed.

In a GU10 LED lamp the heat build up etc. on the circuits is much greater, with less scope to dissipate. I think a fixed unit will last significantly longer, and if a connector is fitted, which I always opt for, it is simply a case of changing the unit like for like and unplugging the old and plugging in the new. The consumer could do this themselves if they wanted.

For myself at least there is absolutely 0 motivation to generate more business in this manner, as with all things I do I will try and give the customer the most reliable and solid solution to the request they have- this is how I aim to ensure I get regular, repeatable and recommended business. I honestly would rather not go to a job to change a single downlight.

 

[Alla Musica]

For me, I fit temp and wattage adjustable units. I can keep some on the van and cover most eventualities with a single unit if needed.

In a GU10 LED lamp the heat build up etc. on the circuits is much greater, with less scope to dissipate. I think a fixed unit will last significantly longer, and if a connector is fitted, which I always opt for, it is simply a case of changing the unit like for like and unplugging the old and plugging in the new. The consumer could do this themselves if they wanted.

For myself at least there is absolutely 0 motivation to generate more business in this manner, as with all things I do I will try and give the customer the most reliable and solid solution to the request they have- this is how I aim to ensure I get regular, repeatable and recommended business. I honestly would rather not go to a job to change a single downlight.

That sounds really interesting and conscientious and I really appreciate it.

Speaking of connectors, did you mean those fixtures that has a connector itself - like the JCC X50 - so customers can easily replace any damaged fixture with an identical one?

 

[Risteard]

For me, I fit temp and wattage adjustable units. I can keep some on the van and cover most eventualities with a single unit if needed.

In a GU10 LED lamp the heat build up etc. on the circuits is much greater, with less scope to dissipate. I think a fixed unit will last significantly longer, and if a connector is fitted, which I always opt for, it is simply a case of changing the unit like for like and unplugging the old and plugging in the new. The consumer could do this themselves if they wanted.

For myself at least there is absolutely 0 motivation to generate more business in this manner, as with all things I do I will try and give the customer the most reliable and solid solution to the request they have- this is how I aim to ensure I get regular, repeatable and recommended business. I honestly would rather not go to a job to change a single downlight.

Yes indeed. Integrated downlights are an inherently superior product. I find Collingwood H2 Lites extremely reliable.

 

[littlespark]

The only time I use GU10 is where I’m replacing old 12V halogen, and there’s no requirement for fire or IP rating.
Using the old bezel, and not trying to make a bigger hole in a possibly dried out, brittle with heat plasterboard ceiling.

That is, if the lamp retaining spring doesn’t jump out and spin away under the fridge or something.

 

[Alla Musica]

The only time I use GU10 is where I’m replacing old 12V halogen, and there’s no requirement for fire or IP rating.

That's interesting - is this because, with no requirement for fire rating (and hence without the fire can), those GU10 bulbs could dissipate its heat more effectively?

 

[DefyG]

do integrated downlights actually help electricians earn more profit?

No as said above but probably helps the manufacturer who changes the spec so that you cant get one to match a few years down the line (usually just after warranty expires) so client is faced with a dilemma to have an odd one or replace them all!!!

 

[Alla Musica]

No as said above but probably helps the manufacturer who changes the spec so that you cant get one to match a few years down the line (usually just after warranty expires) so client is faced with a dilemma to have an odd one or replace them all!!!

Totally agree. Same happened to the notorious JCC FGLED6 line.