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You shouldn't still be churning out work like this. Take some pride man!
I will have you know I used that for my DI assessment so it must be OK :rofl:
You shouldn't still be churning out work like this. Take some pride man!
Shut up ya baby ---- ha ha
usually in domestic its, flick it off then a bit of tape over breakerI can only speak for the industrial side.
All the companies I’ve worked for, no permit or incorrect isolation and you’re in deep ----. This covered more than just electrical, all plant services and dangers were included.
In the electrical department we had a get out. Sections of plant could be handed over for test. You can’t test many things with no power and bits isolated.
You had to have a damn good reason for asking for a “sanction to test”.
The isolation procedure at the first place was 170 pages covering just about anything you could think of.
The foundry wanted to improve their systems and I was lumbered with the job. Quick get out for me, phone the first company. They sent me the full document, the management went in to a state shock when I dropped it on their desks.
Isolation procedures need commitment from everyone involved.
What goes on in the domestic field I don’t know but I’m getting the feeling its very lackadaisical.
i dont think anyone is disputing that, usually in a shutdown procedure its good practise to turn off upstream and test at local isolater before locking off.I'm with Tony on this one, it's a different world working in the industrial sector. I have worked on many varied things from huge crushers and tyre shredders to furnaces, foundries and the list goes on.
It doesn't bear thinking about what could go wrong if there wasn't an extremely stringent isolation procedure in place, I have unfortunately witnessed a couple of serious injuries due to lack of safe isolation and I don't want to see another one as long as I live.
i dont think anyone is disputing that, usually in a shutdown procedure its good practise to turn off upstream and test at local isolater before locking off.
This proves two things
1. the legend is correct
2. there is not multiple supplies going ti machine.
unless you are familiar with these heavy machines you shouldn't be working alone on them for safety reasons.
how do you know there isnt a supply going into a different part of the machine that isnt interlocked?
it is not always possible to see the cables entering the machine and depending on what it is that doesn't always help if everything is wired in swa
Don`t go using your multimeter on those live rails now UKesrail....
In the RN we had a tag out system incorporating electrical, hydraulic, moving machinery and a shiphaz system governing the likes of radiation emissions.
For electrical isolation officially the tagout system was always used. However with Weapon Engineers working mostly in their own compartments an unofficial 'risk based' isolation procedure was used and it was rare to find WE tagouts for short term work(fuses in the pocket was more likely) . Long term isolations were a different matter.
Real world...
It always makes me smile of risk assessments carried out on war ships.
Real world...
It always makes me smile of risk assessments carried out on war ships.
Why is that then? there are a lot more risky bits of kit on one of HM Ships than in an electrical installation, don't one of those blowing up do we?
Why is that then? there are a lot more risky bits of kit on one of HM Ships than in an electrical installation, don't one of those blowing up do we?
I just wear marigolds and wellies. Time is money gents.
Just as well you lock out and don't lock off!and i literally mean JUST marigolds and wellies.
Lock out with your c#ck out!
Health and Safety used to be given a nod and a wink, but now it is heavily applied as crown immunity(I may have the wrong wording there) giving exemption from prosecution was removed.
In certain areas it definitely still gets ignored, the fact that it will invariably be the MOD and not the individual who gets prosecuted helps this.
Certain things, like 2 man lifts for gunnery rounds, scaffolding for reaching high areas are so impractical on a ship.
Very rare. Either tape or keep the switch off tell the customer not to switch on or shout yolo and change whatever live ... once changed a CU live, stuck the meter tails in 2 massive chock blocks.
Some will read that and think joker, some will read that and think this nob is telling the truth ... all vote now!
Very rare. Either tape or keep the switch off tell the customer not to switch on or shout yolo and change whatever live ... once changed a CU live, stuck the meter tails in 2 massive chock blocks.
Some will read that and think joker, some will read that and think this nob is telling the truth ... all vote now!
worked on some land based stuff many moons agoYou are correct Pete. I'd take an electrical shock over being irradiated by a pointing radar anyday.
The shiphaz procedure I mentioned is extremely robust, and for outside contractors permits to work need to be signed by various personnel. The tagout system when properly used is also a very transparent and robust system.
Prior to health and safety, there were always safe working practices onboard, it's just more formalised now, the main example being written risk assessments for just about every conceivable job onboard.
I hear you. Probably best putting this comment in the pub though away from eyes that may take what you said as good advice.
Is this a do as I say comment and not what I do???
I got a bit slack over past two years but after xmas I got a half price lock off set for 20 quid, using it on every job now and feeling good about it, tick all the boxes safe and it looks professional
nah dont use chock block, these are what you want.Very rare. Either tape or keep the switch off tell the customer not to switch on or shout yolo and change whatever live ... once changed a CU live, stuck the meter tails in 2 massive chock blocks.
Some will read that and think joker, some will read that and think this nob is telling the truth ... all vote now!
nah dont use chock block, these are what you want.
couple of these will do you grand.
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nah dont use chock block, these are what you want.
couple of these will do you grand.
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yup, cover in tape as well.So long as they don't 'come off in your hand' ... they are better than IP2X!
Do you lock off?
I beg your pardon? Do you? does your wife know you are doing it? does she do it for you?= Post reported :biggrin:
No, your Scottish, I don't like the sweaty socks :49:You talkin' to me ... ?
You talkin' to me ... ?