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[Darkwood]

Right ... Just been nudged to set this up by Paul.M and sounds a good idea following recent threads I've done in the Arms..

Rules....No Offensive material... edit if required before posting as this is the public arena.
Anything to do with the trade or in and around it ...H&S pic's welcome.



I've posted this a few times and this is at a mates house following a kitchen refirb several yrs ago. mg_smile:

 

[Mikegh]

And that nonsense with the load split across an RCD and a 32amp mcb

No sense to it

 

[Mike Johnson]

They may be identical top and bottom and work both ways but when i switch off an mcb I expect the top to be dead here

No chance of working in Europe then or on three phase.

 

[Mikegh]

No chance of working in Europe then or on three phase.

No but in that case

 

[Mike Johnson]

Would you dare to use patten parts on your car instead of the OM products?

 

[Julie.]

Just hope you never meet a positive electron logistics consultant!

Speaking as a consultant, I think you will find that's a positron logistics consultant.

My fee will be in the post, usual payment arrangements....

 

[ipf]

Just hope you never meet a positive electron logistics consultant!

Not much chance, they're all negative.
?

edit. A bit late there, sorry pc.

 

[Simon47]

My old man had to buy hundreds of pennies worth of equipment too. He only needed 3 tools though. One was a large volume moisture retaining vessel, one was the rubber-tipped water vapour scraper and the most important tool was the multicellular water dispensing unit which could be used to effectively maintain the glass.

No aerial access equipment ?

Would you dare to use patten parts on your car instead of the OM products?

I frequently do - but it does depend on what it is. Safety critical stuff is normally "known decent makes", so (e.g.) Ferodo is OK for brake pads, but I'd think twice about ACME ?

 

[Mike Johnson]

I frequently do - but it does depend on what it is. Safety critical stuff is normally "known decent makes", so (e.g.) Ferodo is OK for brake pads, but I'd think twice about ACME ?

But neither of those are factory original products from the car manufacturer, probably would be Ferodo in a different colour together with the original car makers mark up that is.

 

[Simon47]

That was the point - the question was "would you use pattern parts ?", as in use parts not coming from the car manufacturer. As we (probably) all know, a huge proportion of any car is bought in parts - and buying the OEM part without the car manufacturer mark up is usually a huge saving. And then there are other manufacturers who might not be the OEM, but are of the same standard.

And then, there are others where ... you have to be a bit more cautious, hence the ACME reference ? In the Land Rover fraternity, there is a parts supplier who supply many parts for older vehicles, but have a bit of a reputation for ... "variable quality". It's tricky with them since some of the parts they sell are actually OEM parts.

Back to electrical ...
Talking about the issue of only using an approved assembly (ref a few posts above). What if a CU came with some fixing screws and the MIs said it could only be fixed in place using the supplied fixings. Would that mean that you'd have to scrap it and go buy another one if you dropped one of the screws and couldn't find it ? Or would you simply substitute an equivalent against the wording of the MIs ? And what if the fixings provided just weren't suitable ?
I know this is taking things a bit far, but if you think about it, the screws used to fix the thing (assuming suitable) will have as much effect on performance of individual breakers and the whole assembly as a correctly sized piece of copper cable (e.g. RCD-neutral bar link).

 

[brianmoooore]

Would you dare to use patten parts on your car instead of the OM products?

In another parallel life, I 'do' BMW cars. 90% of the new spare parts I fit are not from BMW, but a large proportion of them are still OEM. It's not unusual to find a part (especially those containing blocks of rubber) has burr marks, where the BMW roundel logo has been ground off.

 

[Mike Johnson]

The potential of not using original manufacturer's parts in motor vehicles is far more reaching in deaths through failure of any thing compared to installing a Hagar MCB in an all Legrand board, we seem to have taken a very political/intransigent view on this without considering the real consequence of capable equipment in a compatible board one that does not bend busbars out of line and just fits in the same place without any strain on the units or bars?

 

[Mikegh]

That was the point - the question was "would you use pattern parts ?", as in use parts not coming from the car manufacturer. As we (probably) all know, a huge proportion of any car is bought in parts - and buying the OEM part without the car manufacturer mark up is usually a huge saving. And then there are other manufacturers who might not be the OEM, but are of the same standard.

And then, there are others where ... you have to be a bit more cautious, hence the ACME reference ? In the Land Rover fraternity, there is a parts supplier who supply many parts for older vehicles, but have a bit of a reputation for ... "variable quality". It's tricky with them since some of the parts they sell are actually OEM parts.

Back to electrical ...
Talking about the issue of only using an approved assembly (ref a few posts above). What if a CU came with some fixing screws and the MIs said it could only be fixed in place using the supplied fixings. Would that mean that you'd have to scrap it and go buy another one if you dropped one of the screws and couldn't find it ? Or would you simply substitute an equivalent against the wording of the MIs ? And what if the fixings provided just weren't suitable ?
I know this is taking things a bit far, but if you think about it, the screws used to fix the thing (assuming suitable) will have as much effect on performance of individual breakers and the whole assembly as a correctly sized piece of copper cable (e.g. RCD-neutral bar link).

The way someone explained this to me is that if its unreasonable to insist on particular fixings be used then the manufacturer will likely lose in court

 

[Simon47]

Yes, but that's not the question.
We've had a seemingly sensible statement that even the link cables (e.g. main switch N to neutral bar) must be the manufacturer supplied items. I'm suggesting that while that may be the absolute letter of the rules regarding the entire assembly being type tested, it's a bit unreasonable as a blanket "I wouldn't touch it if something else were fitted" since a piece of wire is a piece of wire.

So, as a thought exercise, what if the MIs required the use of the supplied fixings ?
At what point does common sense need to raise it's hand and shout "excuse me" ?

 

[westward10]

Yes, but that's not the question.
We've had a seemingly sensible statement that even the link cables (e.g. main switch N to neutral bar) must be the manufacturer supplied items. I'm suggesting that while that may be the absolute letter of the rules regarding the entire assembly being type tested, it's a bit unreasonable as a blanket "I wouldn't touch it if something else were fitted" since a piece of wire is a piece of wire.

So, as a thought exercise, what if the MIs required the use of the supplied fixings ?
At what point does common sense need to raise it's hand and shout "excuse me" ?

Supplied fixings, that is not going to happen so it is not a viable argument.

 

[Mike Johnson]

Supplied fixings, that is not going to happen so it is not a viable argument.

Why?