Solar Panels Does the home consume solar produced electricity that doesn't reach the meters?

[bluenev]

Hi Robertay2000
Does someone come to read your generation meter? If they don't then no one is getting the generation or feed in Tarrifs. Unless they link to the Power one inverter directly. Perhaps you could apply to take the fits. When was it fitted? More recent installs get very little generation cash
I would suggest you try to make the most of the free energy. It will cost quite a bit to take them down. Talk to your potential mortgage people.
We tend to put our washer (2kw heater) or dishwasher(3kW heater) around midday (11:00-14:00) on sunny days to catch the peaks on your Power One graphs. We have an OWL meter but looking out the window works well too and will save £40.
Your 100-120kwh per month is 3-4 per day, which should reduce to 2-3 per day... Not a massive saving but makes us less worried about the household bills.

I suspect most Ozzy's like us have systems like you where the inverter (DC to AC) feeds into the household supply for use by them and the excess goes to the mains.
More recently expensive battery technology is available to soak up the excess for use in evenings or overnight. In OZ their bills will be high with Aircon usage. A large battery would be very helpful.
A battery that might help us costs £5000 but we could only ever save what we spend on electricity, which is £300per year. That's 20 years at £250 saving a year. A lot of our excess goes into our hot water tank or the car if its parked up and needs a charge on a sunny day. Some still escapes.

 

[robertay2000]

Hiya ,
So nice to hear from the sunny continent. Simple answer nobody ever comes to read the meter . It’s a social housing property I moved in with the solar being already in place. I can smell a rat . Once I complete few more data usage monitoring and obtain any possible information of the installation ; FiT scheme ; payments etc I will be in position to shake the Twitter : Taraa #Covid19 .Hello solar energy rip off of the UK social housing and Housing Associations tenants who are not owners of FIT accounts all being done using public ignorance in STEM subjects based technology backed by first free solar government grants; and media then brutally exposing shambles ; and UK blooming st the moment solar industry financial collapse following backdated bills repayments to affected and Alice electricity users and their estates if applicable . Scheme for owners of solar is straight forward. Solar in the grid , FiT pays for the solar using export meter readings or solar estimated capacity plus different payment for what part of export is used by household directly to the solar generator FiT account owner ; import usage recorded by the mains meter and paid to the utility company. No distracting theories that solar dribs and drabs are topped by the mains. To put it in perspective my solar generates TWICE if my actual needs . In my terms it means I only pay daily electric meter standing charge . FiT account holder has money from all exported solar . And this is not a case. I do not received any payments from exported solar . I basically pay my standard usage from the mains . Period. I am changing supplier back to the company who holds this mysterious FiT account and without telling them will switch off solar to stop them cashing in my export . This electric utility brand is now owned by a completely different business entity who highly likely inherited FiT account . Installer company who may owns this account unless council registered it in their name went bust last year . Shambles In a nutshell. I do hope that owner is my Council and I will easily get the backdate
electric bills payments . For the lifetime of the FiT account that in average is 25 years from the installation date that I believe goes back to 2011-2012

Feed-in Tariff (FIT): Tariff Table 1 April 2020

This document sets out the tariff rates for the Feed-in Tariff scheme.

www.ofgem.gov.uk

 

[bluenev]

The idea was to install the equivalent of a nuclear power station's worth of Solar panels across the country without the transmission losses. The generation payment is to pay for the generation equipment, whoever made that investment is entitled to that return. It is actually a green payment as part of everyone's electricity bills. So we all pay for it.

Mine cost let's say £10,000 around 10 years ago. If I paid interest on that amount at 10%, £1000 a year, then I would just paying it off now.

On a sunny day in mid summer, now, you might be generating 24kWh but you cannot use all of it... YOU CAN TRY THOUGH

I suggest trying to make sure you use as much of that as possible. Eg boil the kettle, fill a flask, cook my dinner, heat the hot water tank(solic200 costs £250), wash clothes or dishes, heat the room in winter saving gas on a cold but sunny day.

I would not switch it off as you are benefitting from free energy.

I would seek to own the panels if you can... Land Register might help as per your other recent post.

 

[robertay2000]

I slowly but surely move towards ownership matter by the time I buy out the bungalow.

I do accept my limitations of technical knowledge , Ons laws application fir alternating currents and social reasoning hehe.

Solar export and consumer import are two entirely separate processes .

They are recorded by export and import meters and financed separately.


As you can see on my photo there is no sign of a magic power mixer that blends inverter raised higher voltage for injection in the grid and imported lowers consumer voltage energy .
Therefore no way I can use higher voltage solar for running my appliances even theoretically . Because they are fused to prevent damage in case of using higher voltage power .

Things may be different in countries with different power voltages .


By guts feeling it may be something to do with sine waves and other physical particular that allow two variable voltage flows run simultaneously in one wiring but in the opposite directions .


I need to refresh secondary physic’s knowledge to get ok answer to this magic.


Mr Google sided with me when I asked why inverter generates higher voltage
An Inverter is an electronic device capable of transforming a DC (DC) current into an alternating current (AC) at a given voltage and frequency. ... It is therefore indispensable to use it to power by DC, electrical devices that work in AC.

Ohm's law states that the electrical current (I) flowing in an circuit is proportional to the voltage (V) and inversely proportional to the resistance (R). Therefore, if the voltage is increased, the current will increase provided the resistance of the circuit does not change.

Similar to traditional inverters, smart inverters convert direct current (DC) into alternating current (AC). The key difference is their ability to absorb and output reactive power. This process is also known as reactive powercompensation.2 Jul 2019

Any views and comments much appreciated . Please note being autistic I do not react on personal fluff when I can see practical gain of it hehe

 

[bluenev]

Just be clear... Your inverter creates power at the mains voltage for the whole of your house. If you have 2kW of Solar and you put a 3kW kettle On, the house will draw the extra 1kW from the mains.
No magic box... Just the inverter... A length of copper wire.. The consumer unit. Where your solar along with your kitchen circuit are connected... The other side of the consumer unit is connected to the mains via a big 60 or 100Amp fuse....

When you are using all the 2kW solar you do not have any excess solar energy to export but the kettle needs 3kW, so it takes that from the external mains at the same voltage.


No magic mixing device just 2 supplies to the kettle. If anything the copper wires mix the power from the solar and the mains together.

Honest.