Domestic EICR pricing???????

[MFS Electrical]

I’m starting to do EICRs in domestic properties just curious to know what others are charging particularly Scotland and very particularly around the Glasgow/Renfrewshire/ayrshire/Dunbarton way I’m offering £30 per circuit I reckon that gives me enough time to do it properly with a bit of wiggle room for unexpected issues and doing the cert what would you charge?
I’m not interested in the race to the bottom and compete on quality rather than price so I doubt I’d ever do it for much less.

 

[ipf]

EH???? what you talking about?

...and that's from a Greenocker
Lay off buzz.....he's using his snooker cue......backwards

 

[MFS Electrical]

...and that's from a Greenocker
Lay off buzz.....he's using his snooker cue......backwards

Wit yi mean ipf trying to say um a hackit jakey cause I’m fae Greenock like? Am no a roaster you must be aff yir heed.

Usually my translator works and i know what he’s talking about but I genuinely ain’t got a clue ???

 

[JK-Electrical]

I now price EICRs to cover a day's pay at a minimum.

I wish I could do likewise, but the market over here won't allow me to. As I said in my previous post, it's overcrowded and the competition is cut-throat.

 

[JK-Electrical]

I think I’ll move to London

Might be a plan ...... then you could charge £300 a circuit.

 

[JK-Electrical]

@JK-Electrical is there not something in the pipeline for Scotland for an official register of who can do EICRs. Hopefully it is and it wasn’t just hot air it will probably allow the real sparkys a chance to actually make some money from EICRs not that I’m that optimistic to think it will be completely watertight bet there’s still a fair few nuggets rolling about.

As you are already aware, SELECT are lobbying the Scottish Government to grant title of protection to Scottish electricians. SELECT are also lobbying for legislation that would make it a criminal offence for anyone to carry-out electrical installation work if they are not a qualified, registered electrician. The proposal is fully supported by the SJIB, UNITE the union and SECTT. The proposal, however, is being vigorously opposed by the NICEIC as it will mean the end of the road for their Electrical Trainee courses should such legislation be passed.

Anyone carrying-out any kind of electrical work in Scotland, including EICRs, will need to be registered. Those who are unqualified will then be prosecuted if they do not comply. Those who are under-qualified will be given assistance and time to bring their qualifications up to date. Furthermore, a separate proposal calls for mandatory use of approved certifier schemes.

I can't say much else at the moment other than this issue was discussed at the SELECT Glasgow branch meeting last week and I can assure you that the gloves are coming off. My own view is that we will have protection of title sooner or later. The sooner, the better. There will then ensue a much-needed and long-overdue purge within the electrical contracting industry north of the border, and once the bottom-feeders have been banished, the race to the bottom will end and the market gradually restored to equilibrium. That's when we can begin earning what we are worth instead of continually having to compete on an unlevel playing field.

 

[suffolkspark]

I now price EICRs to cover a day's pay at a minimum.

Same here.... The days gone so it needs to be covered, so thats about £220 for an average house, im pretty thorough to be fair too, constantly picking things up on installs that have passed previously and shouldn't have, i won't be joining the race to the bottom thats for sure.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Same here.... The days gone so it needs to be covered, so thats about £220 for an average house, im pretty thorough to be fair too, constantly picking things up on installs that have passed previously and shouldn't have, i won't be joining the race to the bottom thats for sure.

To give you an example of just how bad things are up here, I was recently invited by a property-letting agency to carry-out an EICR on one of their properties with the promise of more to come "if my price was good". When asked how much my fee would be for a two-bedroom house I told them £125.00. They then told me that they pay no more than £80.00 for EICRs done in houses, even less for one-bedroom flats. I declined their offer. Their properties, incidentally, are located almost 25 miles away and it would take 45 minutes to get there from Glasgow.

 

[MFS Electrical]

To give you an example of just how bad things are up here, I was recently invited by a property-letting agency to carry-out an EICR on one of their properties with the promise of more to come "if my price was good". When asked how much my fee would be for a two-bedroom house I told them £125.00. They then told me that they pay no more than £80.00 for EICRs done in houses, even less for one-bedroom flats. I declined their offer. Their properties, incidentally, are located almost 25 miles away and it would take 45 minutes to get there from Glasgow.

Must be absolute nuggets doing the EICRs at those prices no wonder everyone hates them.
Im aware of the protection of title case @JK-Electrical but I thought that there was another thing in the pipeline about having a competent persons register about EICRs for rental properties? If it was enforced correctly it could well do a lot to rid the scoundrels from the EICR market but in reality it would probably be similar to the part P chaos down the road. Anyway hopefully they sit up and take notice and bring in protection of title. Only thing is does that mean we all need to be in a scam??? I did look into joining the NIC and or Select and thought select would be the better option I just can’t see why I should though they aren’t really offering me much I don’t have at the moment except maybe some more work and a sticker for my van

 

[Risteard]

As you are already aware, SELECT are lobbying the Scottish Government to grant title of protection to Scottish electricians. SELECT are also lobbying for legislation that would make it a criminal offence for anyone to carry-out electrical installation work if they are not a qualified, registered electrician. The proposal is fully supported by the SJIB, UNITE the union and SECTT. The proposal, however, is being vigorously opposed by the NICEIC as it will mean the end of the road for their Electrical Trainee courses should such legislation be passed.

Anyone carrying-out any kind of electrical work in Scotland, including EICRs, will need to be registered. Those who are unqualified will then be prosecuted if they do not comply. Those who are under-qualified will be given assistance and time to bring their qualifications up to date. Furthermore, a separate proposal calls for mandatory use of approved certifier schemes.

I can't say much else at the moment other than this issue was discussed at the SELECT Glasgow branch meeting last week and I can assure you that the gloves are coming off. My own view is that we will have protection of title sooner or later. The sooner, the better. There will then ensue a much-needed and long-overdue purge within the electrical contracting industry north of the border, and once the bottom-feeders have been banished, the race to the bottom will end and the market gradually restored to equilibrium. That's when we can begin earning what we are worth instead of continually having to compete on an unlevel playing field.

If you look at the south of Ireland, as far as I am aware Electrician is not a protected title - however Registered Electrical Contractor and REC are legally protected and it is a criminal offence for anyone to describe themselves as such if they are not, or to false portray themselves as a REC or to act in a manner likely to suggest that they are a REC.

 

[Risteard]

Same here.... The days gone so it needs to be covered, so thats about £220 for an average house, im pretty thorough to be fair too, constantly picking things up on installs that have passed previously and shouldn't have, i won't be joining the race to the bottom thats for sure.

LOL. I have some clients who think I'm far too strict. Strangely I have others who like getting me in to inspect their installations as having had an electrical fire in the past they feel reassured by the fact that I might identify 30 issues and recommend remedial action.

 

[JK-Electrical]

Must be absolute nuggets doing the EICRs at those prices no wonder everyone hates them.

The people who are doing 'condition reports' at these prices are indeed prize ----s. In my experience, it's the 'twentysomething straight from college to Rated People/MyBuilder' types who are the biggest offenders. But I suppose working for £40 -£60 is acceptable when you're still living at home with your parents and don't have many personal expenses. More so if you're not registered with HMRC and not paying any tax and NI. But of course, the reports these people produce aren't worth the paper they're printed on, not that some landlords and letting agents are bothered though. They're happy as long as their 'landlord's electrical safety certificate' has satisfactory written on page 1.

Im aware of the protection of title case @JK-Electrical but I thought that there was another thing in the pipeline about having a competent persons register about EICRs for rental properties?

I haven't heard anything about a separate register for electricians carrying-out EICRs in Scotland. Where did you hear this?

If it was enforced correctly it could well do a lot to rid the scoundrels from the EICR market but in reality it would .

While I agree that if such a register was introduced and enforced, the condition reports rogues could be banished from the market, I disagree that it would "probably be similar to the part P chaos down the road."

Anyway hopefully they sit up and take notice and bring in protection of title.

Me too ..... my livelihood is ultimately at stake here ..... yours too!

Only thing is does that mean we all need to be in a scam???

The working proposal is that SELECT and NICEIC would administer the register in partnership with the SJIB. So to be included on the register you would have to join either SELECT or NICEIC. But surely you would not want to join NICEIC given that they are fiercely resisting protection of title so they can preserve their golden goose Electrical Trainee schemes that have helped create the problem in the first place! SELECT isn't a scheme anyway. It's a trade association for the electrical contracting industry in Scotland, formed in 1900 as The Electrical Contractors' Association of Scotland. SELECT became the first trade association in the world to serve the electrical industry. SELECT has over 1200 Member companies employing over 15000 people.

I did look into joining the NIC and or Select and thought select would be the better option I just can’t see why I should though they aren’t really offering me much I don’t have at the moment except maybe some more work and a sticker for my van

The benefits of SELECT membership are many. My membership fees for the current year have been recouped several times over by way of jobs that were secured by being a member of SELECT that I would not have otherwise secured. There are some responsible landlords who insist on using only SELECT members for EICRs and smoke alarm installations. Then there are the generous discounts for members' training courses. Being a SELECT member also saves you £350 + VAT on the the annual registration fee for membership of the Building Standards Approved Certifier Scheme. SELECT also has annual awards. I was nominated for the category of best small contractor 2018. I didn't win, but the prestige has most definitely resulted in my business being noticed more.