Domestic Fuse board change politics

[chris day]

Hello Guys

I am a commercial electrician and before we change old consumer units we always carry out an EICR as the clients have money on the commercial side of things, domestics however not so much.

on the domestic front i looked a shoddy HMO for a landlord today and they dont want to pay for a report before we change the DB.

I understand the obvious quick bond an insulation resistance checks you can carry out but your going to have to give an install cert after and you may find all kinds of crap, for example o had 0.15Mohms LN-E which could be anything.

basically without knowing what your hooking the new DB up to how do you advise the client on costs when the fixed wiring also needs to be signed off and on face value looks crap?

 

[The Ghost]

You cannot withhold the cert because of non payment.

 

[ferg]

Cannot and shouldn't are not the same thing.

It's not unusual for me to keep hold of paperwork until payment is made.

 

[buzzlightyear]

rule number 1 ,if you change a DB and you find a fault on the any circuit .
and the customer want pay leave disconnected till the customer agrees with you to rectify that fault and put in writing first. and get them to sign a the paper .

 

[Pete999]

I totaly agree but the ever so slight problem after finding a issue is, the Landlord may say, "well" I'm not paying you.

Simple really just do the EICR any repairs will be costed and agreed as and when.

 

[Pete999]

Cannot and shouldn't are not the same thing.

It's not unusual for me to keep hold of paperwork until payment is made.

I'll hold my hands up on this, but the job wont be finished until the cert is issued, could you be on a sticky wicket with holding the cert, I don't know as I have never had an issue like the one being discussed.

 

[sparksburnout]

You cannot withhold the cert because of non payment.

You bloody can mate! It's a great bargaining tool, especially if a low life landlord is involved.
Still not heard from DAZ....

 

[davesparks]

You cannot withhold the cert because of non payment.

Of course you can,

 

[The Ghost]

No you can't any work done under part P requires a certificate to be issued within 30 days failure to do so is a criminal offence and will be enforced by building control.

 

[davesparks]

No you can't

Why not?

 

[ferg]

I hear they are having to build new prisons in Englandshire to accomodate all the part P infractions.

 

[Dave OCD]

No you can't any work done under part P requires a certificate to be issued within 30 days failure to do so is a criminal offence and will be enforced by building control.

I'd agree with you on that but we're talking about an EICR, not notifiable works. Therefore the certificate is the work being paid for and I feel these should be paid for immediately. In fact it annoys me when customers take time paying for any sort of work, usually the work has been arranged for some time and you wouldn't go into a shop and ask to pay in a couple of weeks.

 

[The Ghost]

No we are talking EIC for board change the landlord does not want EICR. Thats the whole point of the OP

 

[Wilko]

No you can't any work done under part P requires a certificate to be issued within 30 days failure to do so is a criminal offence and will be enforced by building control.

I have found that I sometimes need to revisit a test or two on site to properly complete an EIC - I'm sure it's ok, just can't read my own writing or some such failing on my part - and that would be a perfect time for a cheque to be gratefully received

 

[davesparks]

No you can't any work done under part P requires a certificate to be issued within 30 days failure to do so is a criminal offence and will be enforced by building control.

Part P requires notification to LABC within 30 days of completion of the job. It does not require certificates to be handed to the customer within 30days.

 

[The Ghost]

Ok I won't argue that you are correct. But I am still sure you do have to issue the cert. I will find out for sure. I cannot recall or feel inclined to work out where I read that right now.