"Domestic installer " due to be binned?

[LukeD]

heard that the powers that be want the "domestic installers" course binned?

 

[Dustydazzler]

It’s the chicken and the egg , how do you get experience without qualifications and how do you get qualifications without experience…

i think back to when I was 19 I did both at once via an apprenticeship

but I know a lot of older people really struggling to find a decent apprenticeship after leaving a different career to start a new one as an electrician

 

[Zerax]

but I know a lot of older people really struggling to find a decent apprenticeship after leaving a different career to start a new one as an electrician

Alot of the reason for that, is that in the 'olden' times... you started a job/career/apprenticeship at 16 or so... and stayed with that for the rest of your working life. The modern way is to chase the money or chase the dream... so swapping around to find a higher paid job or one that you find 'fulfilling' is becoming the norm.

 

[telectrix]

heard one yesterday. job description was social media consultant. is that advising students how to post crap on faceache? whatever , they're doing a fantastic job.

 

[UNG]

How many apprentices gain significant experience outside of a fairly narrow field, during their training?

Back in the day when I was at college the 3 year day release course to get your A and B certs covered virtually all the aspects of electrical work from domestic through to industrial. My apprenticeship was mainly industrial and commercial with very very little domestic work but it didn't mean I could do domestic work

I’ve worked with ‘electricians’ who have never installed or even touched ‘Micc‘ but are approved contractors with a scam. Just because you have limited knowledge or experience doesn’t make you a bad electrician.

It only demonstrates how much has been cut from courses and how bare minimum they are now in order to make them "quick" for the I want it now generation, when I went to college you were taught about and had hands on with various cables although one of the old electricians I worked with showed me how to wipe a lead joint on a PILC as the college had stopped teaching that a few years before I started

I can drive a car but not a bus, does that automatically make me a bad driver….??

There are many that think they can drive a car and clearly can't so why would you want them driving a bus

From a basic knowledge perspective the statement that I have heard quite often from some electricians that always makes me laugh is "I don't understand 3 phase and I don't need to because I only do domestic" so how narrow do you go when it comes to training, how many domestic installers are actually taught any fault finding skills, installation is easy it's when it goes wrong that you show your skill

 

[i=p/u]

Dumb it down that much they ain't fit to govern and take responsibility for their so called competent members.

 

[telectrix]

they're just bean counters now. don't give a f8ck about the trade as long as the cash cow is being milked.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Im not necessarily against having DI scams , but the joke thing seems a bit naff and I’ll thought out. It needs a revamp and a rebranding and called something else. Domesticated Installer is pants.
Perhaps rebrand it to something like Defined Scope Electrician.
Offer a basic vetting service so Defined scope electricians can prove basic competence before allowing to join the scam…

 

[Zerax]

Offer a basic vetting service so Defined scope electricians can prove basic competence before allowing to join the scam…

Judging by some of the work I see from 'Approved Contractors'... I think all scam members should have to prove basic competence.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Judging by some of the work I see from 'Approved Contractors'... I think all scam members should have to prove basic competence.

Yes that do , but that’s another saga all together

let’s start with the house bashers then move on to the other stuff

 

[UNG]

Im not necessarily against having DI scams , but the joke thing seems a bit naff and I’ll thought out. It needs a revamp and a rebranding and called something else. Domesticated Installer is pants.
Perhaps rebrand it to something like Defined Scope Electrician.
Offer a basic vetting service so Defined scope electricians can prove basic competence before allowing to join the scam…

I think whatever name you give it electrician needs removing from the name further more I think the whole setup needs to operate under a different scheme banner to disassociate it from the NICEIC and even NAPIT so there is no confusion as to what the scheme is about, that is if we even need a lower bar in the industry.

I notice from some of the stuff on this subject there is a requirement for proof of CPD so is this in the hope they can get every existing member up to the minimum entry level within the next few years without kicking any members out that fall short of the new entry requirements or is there something else behind this

 

[Lister1987]

It's the 'License to Practice" thing all over again, SparkSafe have a start on it but it would need industry wide adoption AND public awareness.

 

[nicebutdim]

Back in the day when I was at college the 3 year day release course to get your A and B certs covered virtually all the aspects of electrical work from domestic through to industrial. My apprenticeship was mainly industrial and commercial with very very little domestic work but it didn't mean I could do domestic work

@Vortigern expanded on the point I was trying to make and plenty of apprentices will spend the entirety of their training doing domestic work. When it comes to compiling their portfolio they're trying to find anything acceptable to complete it. Theory will have been learnt, but jumping into industrial work would pose an initial challenge and they certainly wouldn't be ready to do so unassisted.

Very few apprentices will now be lucky enough to gian the sort of broad experience that might once have been common. Similarly an industrial electrician, who is unlucky enough to find themselves unemployed, might find domestic work to be something of a challenge. They'd certainly be knowledgable about electrical theory, but lacking the sort of experience that might help with cable routing etc.