Domestic Installer

[Pete999]

I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

 

[Guest111]

As I understand it there is a classification within the NICEIC as a domestic installer,I think it's to do with the Electrical Trainee,however most properly trained electricians would agree that in reality there's no such thing as a DI you're either a spark or you aint.

 

[Guest55]

domestic installer is a term invented by part p scheme operators to describe those whom conduct electrical work mainly in a domestic setting.
so yes , it exists , regardless of opinions as to its worthiness.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks guys.

 

[Engineer54]

domestic installer is a term invented by part p scheme operators to describe those whom conduct electrical work mainly in a domestic setting.
so yes , it exists , regardless of opinions as to its worthiness.

So because the Scam's (NICEIC) dream up a title for wannabe electricians it's to be accepted is it?

Not on your Nelly!! There is no such animal, only in in the money making minds of those that want to bring this industry down to suit their own benefit!!

 

[Adam W]

Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.

 

[Guest111]

Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.

yes but what do they do when they get a fault on something and don't have a clue about faultfinding? lol

 

[Adam W]

yes but what do they do when they get a fault on something and don't have a clue about faultfinding? lol

They either don't do fault finding, rip out the bit of the circuit which is causing the problem and rewire it, come on here asking how to do it, or get in the van and drive off and not answer the phone if the customer calls back.

 

[Pete999]

Thanks for all your replies, I'm sure there will be many more once everyone gets home fro a hard day.

 

[Engineer54]

Domestic Installers are a kind of 'dumbed down' electrician - they work to standard circuit arrangements so don't need to know about any of the difficult bits like cable calcs, phasor diagrams, phase balancing etc.
It's 'electrics by numbers' - lights sockets, cookers, showers and maybe an immersion heater.

Even that's an insult to a qualified electrician.....

These people are little more than DIYers, that are fooling householders/general public with the blessing of the scam providers, ...that are laughing all the way to the bank!!

 

[snoopydo]

seems alot of hostility towards a couple of words.

 

[Adam W]

seems alot of hostility towards a couple of words.

It's not the name, it's what the name represents. It's a bit like calling someone a 'cowboy' only more quantifiable - if the likes of 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' jump out on a 'cowboy' and shove a camera in their face they run away because they know they're guilty, but a domestic installer probably thinks they're doing a good job because they've been accredited by some national body who took their money and went through the motions of doing an assessment.
It's easy to have a go at someone for not holding the right card or be the member of an organisation, but harder to go through the regs and argue that the work someone has done doesn't comply - the 'cowboy' knows he's not registered with a competent persons' scheme whereas the 'Domestic Installer' thinks the 2 grand he forked out for the day of 2393 makes him Part P and eligible to work on people's homes.

 

[ipf]

I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

Working for the government and unsure where you stand on the issue.......now there's an unusual one.

 

[Pete999]

Working for the government and unsure where you stand on the issue.......now there's an unusual one.

I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint

 

[MDJ]

I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint

Yes quite right same here, 6 and a half years before the firm I worked for allowed any sparks to work alone without supervision, it is just the way it was back then, 4 and a half at tech and on site practical training then 2 years to get approved qualification which meant working alone allowed without any supervision, the 5 weeks today is for domestic only, the trade has been broken up by the NICEIC, but what scares the crap out of me is what if these 5 week short course guys get other ideas and apply to agencies to work in shops, schools factories etc?