Domestic Installer

[Pete999]

I have my flak jacket, Kevlar hat on so fire away, as most of you old timers are aware, I'm an old timer also, maybe it's my age, but I'm confused.com.
The confusion arises over the title of this post, and probably I ought to know the answer, but would be grateful if someone could clear up my conundrum? I hear folks say"there is no such thing as a domestic Installer" "your either an Electrician or you aren't" so please put me at ease, is there such a being as a Domestic Installer? I think not but please clarify. Sorry for the politeness of my post, it's my working for the government that does it.:mickey::elvis::seeya::grinningelf:

 

[Pete999]

Yes quite right same here, 6 and a half years before the firm I worked for allowed any sparks to work alone without supervision, it is just the way it was back then, 4 and a half at tech and on site practical training then 2 years to get approved qualification which meant working alone allowed without any supervision, the 5 weeks today is for domestic only, the trade has been broken up by the NICEIC, but what scares the crap out of me is what if these 5 week short course guys get other ideas and apply to agencies to work in shops, schools factories etc?

Don't mate it's scary enough as it is

 

[MDJ]

Don't mate it's scary enough as it is

Yes I know, A while back I suggested to be serious a card for short term course guys which would enable them to be qualified to work in the domestic enviroment only and also if they could show 5 jobs during a 12 month period which was actually looked at very closely and if it passed then they could become an electrician. I felt this would be a compromise and stop them working on non domestic jobs until they have had on site experience under supervision. It went down like a lead balloon.

 

[jimmymac]

It's not the name, it's what the name represents. It's a bit like calling someone a 'cowboy' only more quantifiable - if the likes of 'Matt Alright BBC Rogue Traders' jump out on a 'cowboy' and shove a camera in their face they run away because they know they're guilty, but a domestic installer probably thinks they're doing a good job because they've been accredited by some national body who took their money and went through the motions of doing an assessment.
It's easy to have a go at someone for not holding the right card or be the member of an organisation, but harder to go through the regs and argue that the work someone has done doesn't comply - the 'cowboy' knows he's not registered with a competent persons' scheme whereas the 'Domestic Installer' thinks the 2 grand he forked out for the day of 2393 makes him Part P and eligible to work on people's homes.

Because that's what they get told Adam, it's all a big con and I feel a bit sorry for those that have fallen into the trap. They soon realise that they're not up to scratch when get out there working, there are exceptions of course, it's unfair to brand everyone of them unsafe or incompetant

 

[Adam W]

6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks

You probably shouldn't have messed about so much at school then lol.

 

[NickD]

It went down like a lead balloon.

Asking turkeys to vote for Christmas I fear. Even though the point is that Christmas is already here on this one, and you're just asking the turkeys to vote for a better implementation of Christmas.

 

[Pete999]

Yes I know, A while back I suggested to be serious a card for short term course guys which would enable them to be qualified to work in the domestic enviroment only and also if they could show 5 jobs during a 12 month period which was actually looked at very closely and if it passed then they could become an electrician. I felt this would be a compromise and stop them working on non domestic jobs until they have had on site experience under supervision. It went down like a lead balloon.

I agree with you , the reason, probably, why your Idea was rejected was the scammers would be shown up for what they are, scammers, although I have worked the last 35 years in a protected job as such I doubt very much if I could get a gold JIB card or whatever, not that I need one now, too bloody old.

 

[Pete999]

You probably shouldn't have messed about so much at school then lol.

Cheeky Tw-t

 

[ipf]

I.m sure where I stand, I work for the HMG as an Electrical Technician, did my time contracting for Electrical Contractors, 6 YEARS IT TOOK ME not 5weeks, you understand where I'm coming from, you are either an Electrician or you aint

Tongue in cheek, cock.
I'm taking the pi$$ outta the system, not you.
I got my C cert, too.

 

[Pete999]

Tonge in cheek, cock.
I'm taking the pi$$ outta the system, not you.
I got my C cert, too.

Realize that ipf same as

 

[ipf]

Realize that ipf same as

Never worked for Her Majesty's Gasfitters, though...:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Pete999]

Never worked for Her Majesty's Gasfitters, though...:smilewinkgrin:

Been all over the world, with them a lot of experience with different types of wiring, good stuff

 

[MDJ]

Tonge in cheek, cock.
I'm taking the pi$$ outta the system, not you.
I got my C cert, too.

what is one of those then?

 

[7029 dave]

Question, can these DI get JIB cards anyone.?

 

[MDJ]

Question, can these DI get JIB cards anyone.?

Not sure, I think they can though thats why there is such an outcry from some members, mind you some members think the JIB card means nothing now a days.

 

[ipf]

what is one of those then?

Thought you knew all about tongues, cheeks and cocks, Mike:8: