Downlight ID -- advice needed !

[Tommy10toes]

Hi all,

I'm struggling to replace the bulb in this outdoor downlight, it doesn't twist out like i'm accustomed to.

It's tiltable. I can pull down the unit a bit but not sure how hard to pull as i'm pulling pretty hard and feel like i'm gonna break something. I really can't seem to access the bulb. Do i need to pull the whole unit through the hole?

i can see N41442WB on side of light, but this brings up nothing in google!

Any help on technique and procedures much appreciated!

thanks

 

[littlespark]

Try NF1442WB

Possibly a sealed unit that you cant replace the bulb... just need to change the whole thing.

The restriction on pulling out may just be the spring clips.... that can cause finger injury... or the cables have been pulled tight in the attic by installer.... and theres no way theyll simply pop out.

 

[Tommy10toes]

Try NF1442WB

Possibly a sealed unit that you cant replace the bulb... just need to change the whole thing.

The restriction on pulling out may just be the spring clips.... that can cause finger injury... or the cables have been pulled tight in the attic by installer.... and theres no way theyll simply pop out.

ah, yes i wrote the wrong serial no.
Unfortunately the right one also returns no google results.

That sounds like an extremely wasteful and uneconomical situation that you are describing.
Do units like this really exist, and why??

many thanks

 

[Taylortwocities]

Do units like this really exist, and why??

Oh yes. They are called integrated fittings and they are just fine until they fail. Then you go back to the maker (perhaps under warranty) and ask for a replacement. They then tell you that model is obsolete and has been replaced by a new one (often not the same spec, or look).
I stopped installing integrated fittings a while ago in favour of ones that have replaceable lamps.

But I could be wrong, pull it fully out of the ceiling and hopefully there will be more information, or clues to if the lamp is actually replaceable.

 

[Tommy10toes]

Oh yes. They are called integrated fittings and they are just fine until they fail. Then you go back to the maker (perhaps under warranty) and ask for a replacement. They then tell you that model is obsolete and has been replaced by a new one (often not the same spec, or look).
I stopped installing integrated fittings a while ago in favour of ones that have replaceable lamps.

But I could be wrong, pull it fully out of the ceiling and hopefully there will be more information, or clues to if the lamp is actually replaceable.

Thanks for this useful information.

Just to confirm - If i keep pulling, it will come out? I"ve been pulling damn hard and it feels like somethings gonna break. I guess it went in that way so it has to come out.... is this the standard way of getting them out?

 

[littlespark]

They should come out... unless they were fitted first and the installer connected them in the attic, pulling whatever spare cable there was taut.

 

[Taylortwocities]

This may help you understand how they are held in

 

[pirate]

Ouch! That may show HOW they are installed...but I was cringing all the way through!

 

[Dartlec]

Thanks for this useful information.

Just to confirm - If i keep pulling, it will come out? I"ve been pulling damn hard and it feels like somethings gonna break. I guess it went in that way so it has to come out.... is this the standard way of getting them out?

If they are the spring type then they should come out with enough force, though they may try and take your fingers with them - I'd advise gloves!

However, there are some that had thin pieces of metal as the clips, that are very hard if impossible to get out without destroying the fitting.

Are there other similar fittings that you could try to see if they come out more easily? Or is there any access above it to confirm if the cabling is secured in any way?

Not sure if you can see anything through the gap between it and the surface, but you may be able to see whether there is a separate junction box, or one that's integrated into the fitting.

Your best bet may be to find another one that comes out more easily to give you a clue of the style - alternatively you could drill a circular hole with a holesaw next to the existing one (70mm+ should be enough to get your hand in), then fix the 'hole' back afterwards.