E.I.C.R rant by arti electrical

[Dustydazzler]

He makes a good valid argument (all be it quite long winded)

what ever happened to the £20-30 per circuit which for years seemed a good industry standard price which companies could actually make a profit doing

how these drive by sparks can bang out 20 eicr a a day for £40 a pop is just a joke , and in a
l honesty will just make the whole point of an eicr pointless

 

[westward10]

Out of curiosity, how long would it take to test an average 3 bed semi? Say 6 circuits.

Six circuits in reasonable condition three hours max, Report one hour.

 

[7029 dave]

Guy done gas inspection and EICR at my gf house she rents in approx 1hr ish 7 circuits.
Calculated the R1 R2 on the sockets, He did have his mate going round taking the measurements, whilst he was at the CU position recording on his tablet.

 

[Dave OCD]

That sounds like they only tested Dave, without taking any fittings off for inspection or anything like that ? And you'd have to access the ends of circuits such as lights, cooker, immersion heater and shower for RI &R2 measuring. Any idea what they charged for doing all that in around an hour ?

 

[7029 dave]

That sounds like they only tested Dave, without taking any fittings off for inspection or anything like that ? And you'd have to access the ends of circuits such as lights, cooker, immersion heater and shower for RI &R2 measuring. Any idea what they charged for doing all that in around an hour ?

2 ceiling roses were unscrewed per lighting circuit , cooker DP switch, and a couple of sockets, no switches were removed, It was not thorough by any means, no idea what he charged it was for her LL.

 

[brianmoooore]

2 ceiling roses were unscrewed per lighting circuit , cooker DP switch, and a couple of sockets, no switches were removed, It was not thorough by any means, no idea what he charged it was for her LL.

How the hell can that be considered an EICR???

 

[7029 dave]

How the hell can that be considered an EICR???

This is what your up against, keep saying its a race to the bottom especially with LL reports.

 

[Doomed]

If its empty its easier, two bed house today checked every light fitting and switch, all end of lines, both smokes and around 10 sockets 6 circuits in total, was done in 3 hours. After had a occupied smaller one bed place with 4 circuits took me longer.

We estimate 4 to 8 hours for an occupied house, 2 to 4 hours for an occupied flat and up to half that if empty.

(then you get the empty one bed flat with 8 day rate and 2 off peak circuits just to bugger you about)

 

[Vortigern]

to do the tests or does that include paper work

The whole thing, testing inspecting and cert. So first thing I do is inspect CU and Cut-out, then earthing then all fittings for damage and security of fixing. Check the physical tightness of bonding clamps and labels. Then remove fittings usually starting as 25%, more if there are signs of poor wiring like no earth on metal boxes, poorly wired sockets with no earth sleeving, remove electric shower cover and switch to check for thermal damage. Then the testing. Everything unplugged, noting neons for IR testing. Do ring final circuit tests. R1/R2 on every circuit, just attach L to earth bus bar for each circuit, use the plug device for sockets for R1/R2 this also ensures continuity of cpc and polarity. If present also check function of emergency lighting, not full three hour test though. I use my ipad as I go to note all test results and this forces me to do everything as I go. Last three bed I did was 6 hours. That house had a loft ladder so easy to inspect it quickly cables flopping all over the air space in there very poor wiring.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

the one I had tested today had 6mm twin and earth being used for 2 circuits... one a ring and the other a radial for 3 sockets..... somehow the person who wired it managed to get both cables in the sockets tight.
It was the old style mk sockets.... would never work with the cheap new ones.

 

[magnoliafan89]

We had a company subcontracted to ours to help with the testing. A few of us expressed concerns to the higher ups but their response was well they're cheap. We found their paperwork wasnt adding up and upon visiting a few properties they claimed to have done found they couldn't possibly have done them.
So now we find ourselves going back over these properties and I can't count the amount of times I'm not even half way through when a tenant says
"You're more thorough than the last one...he was only here 20 minutes"
Then there was the remedials. Observations worded "plastic board" and marked as C2.
Again the higher ups were pleased with the fact they'd change a board for £80.
One property I went to they'd changed it and there were gaping holes on the top. The tenant informed me the bloke turned up in a car and even checked the rubbish In his recycling bin.

That was a big company that were doing these and they do other services to so one can only imagine the horror they leave elsewhere

 

[Teddy Lop]

We had a company subcontracted to ours to help with the testing. A few of us expressed concerns to the higher ups but their response was well they're cheap. We found their paperwork wasnt adding up and upon visiting a few properties they claimed to have done found they couldn't possibly have done them.
So now we find ourselves going back over these properties and I can't count the amount of times I'm not even half way through when a tenant says
"You're more thorough than the last one...he was only here 20 minutes"
Then there was the remedials. Observations worded "plastic board" and marked as C2.
Again the higher ups were pleased with the fact they'd change a board for £80.
One property I went to they'd changed it and there were gaping holes on the top. The tenant informed me the bloke turned up in a car and even checked the rubbish In his recycling bin.

That was a big company that were doing these and they do other services to so one can only imagine the horror they leave elsewhere

We had a similar situation on the electric board i did my apprentiship with - despite charging roughly double what most did and justifying it "because our high standards" they then took on teams of "contractors" who turned up in rusty transits complete of course with towbars.... A callback on one of their installs revealed such delights as a pipe clamp on the water with enough 10mm attached to conveniently tuck into the ceiling and no more... Unsuprisingly the contracting side of said elec co doesnt really exist any more.

Personally I don't get why these pillocks work to such low standards. My cousins one such, he's a good plumber if he tries, puts boilers on the wall for £100 a day for someone else who creams it, then he laughs at me doing "unnecessary BS" like earth clamps. I don't even try to burden him with electrical theory, I just point out that conforming to "unnecessary BS" like earth clamps is why I drive a new van with air conditioning and heated seats to work and live in my own house with a plasma telly and different rooms to choose from and he rides a 125 and lives in his dads house, but it never really hits home. Regardless of ones own opinion on various regs and standards, conforming and being in it for the long haul pays.