E-mail your local MP?

[Paul.M]

Just an idea to cut out all the cowboys and DIY Dave's out there due to the amount of work that we are not getting.

All the forum members in England and Wales (that part p applies to) send an email to our local mp to ask what they are doing with regards to electrical safety in domestic properties? If we all send an email I hope that one mp may have the balls to address parliament. Let's make a realistic list of things that we would like to happen. Don't forget the money factor, if its cheap and easy for them to do it we have a better chance of it being put in force.

1. Just like gas, a home owner can't alter/add to electrical circuits. Work has to be carried out by an electrician with qualifications of ...blank... or a member of a scheme.

2. DIY stores can no longer sell installation equipment without seeing a scheme membership card.

3. Advertise that work done in the home has to be done by an electrician and are liable for prosecution if they DIY.

4. All homes needs to have a PIR every ten years. (giving people 5 years from now to get their first PIR done). If not done any insurance claim due to electricity will not be paid out.


If we make a point in parliament it may increase our domestic work, increase our income and increase safety in peoples homes. Please add your own and I'll pick out the ones I like and email my local mp and you can do the same.

 

[somersetsparks]

Personally I think its a bit draconian, if I wasn't an electrician I would think its my bl**dy house I can do what I like thankyou very much.

As much as I hate DIY electrics, it is a free(ish) country, DIY electrics is obviously not a major cause of premature death in the UK. And they should get rid of part P as far as I'm concerned. Insurance should put more pressure on PIR's.
You should need a recent PIR for sale of a house stating what is wrong and what is needed to bring it up to standard.

Sod off with over regulation, I'm a sparks and I can't even supposedly work in my own bathroom without getting some Part P'er (such as the local kitchen fitter) to 'Check' my work.
It is all yet more regulation for poor UK residents and is not the way we should be trying to get work.

 

[Paul.M]

if I wasn't an electrician I would think its my bl**dy house I can do what I like thankyou very much.

As much as I hate DIY electrics, it is a free(ish) country, DIY electrics is obviously not a major cause of premature death in the UK.

Sod off with over regulation, I'm a sparks and I can't even supposedly work in my own bathroom without getting some Part P'er (such as the local kitchen fitter) to 'Check' my work.
It is all yet more regulation for poor UK residents and is not the way we should be trying to get work.

"its my house and I'll do what I like". Fine, go and change your gas fire or boiler. Sorry you can't due to it being dangerous.

"not a major cause of death".15 people died 2009-2010 in domestic homes as per the HSE report and many thousands injured.

"can't do work in my own bathroom". This is something you/I/we could ask our local mp.

"not the way to get work". The next time I quote for a c/u change and the customer says its not cheap. I'll tell them to get the cowboy from the pub to do it but you don't get any cert or grantee that its safe. What have you done all your training for? Just to let all kinds of people take over like they are now! I'm sorry but if this continues like it is there will no longer be a domestic market as the cowboys will take over and the qualified sparks will be sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring.

 

[somersetsparks]

Sorry, didn't mean to offend paul, I don't work in the domestic market thankfully

Heres what I think should happen - Insuarance should put more pressure on 10 yearly PIRs for homeowners with houses over 25 years old at least.

When you sell a house it should come with a full PIR passed or not.

Personally IMO, they should have never have bought in domestic installers kitchen fitters etc. for anything other then MINOR WORKS.
I know of a Part P qualified sparkish sort who installed a kitchen in a TT property and put no 100ma RCD in, then screwed a unit through the cable he installed the day before, however as the stake reading was 40 ohms, it just ran the meter up and the lady got a slight tingle from the handle. It was only the unusually high bills that found this problem!

15 people killed is not a huge concern to the government, thats not bad considering 60 million population and most of those were probably from portable appliances.

Part P should be scrapped, as its useless.

Don't think we should ban more things for the general population, we all have enough red tape to battle through all the time.

 

[cagedanimal2010]

ill quite happily write! because tbh im sick of chasing (for lack of a better word) retards around, who don't no what there doing and think its an easy job!!!
iv worked my nut off over the last 10 years to do everything by the book, (yes i know im still a young-un!) but its really starting to grind on me with all these cowboys around!

Danny

 

[MarkieSparkie]

I have some statistics from the ESC that correspondents might like bring to their MPs attention.
Link:http://www.esc.org.uk/industry/policies-and-research/statistics/
http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/statistics/pdf/1346249.pdf, pp60, table 2.3 (England data)

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Once again this argument raises its head. Somerset i see where you are coming from, and i agree with a lot of what you say. I think the point Paul is trying to get across is not stopping competent people like yourself working on your own house, but the cheap unqualified labour coming over here doing as they please in anyones house, taking the cash, and disappearing into the sunset with no comeback when it goes pete tong.

like it or not Part P is a building regulation, and as such it is statutory, and so it must be adhered to whether we like it or not. Yes, it is flawed, but that is because there was none or very little consultation with the like of us and you. I think Paul is trying to get the point across that sales of electrical equipment should be restricted to competent electricians such as you and me, part P shouldn't come into it. If you look at my post yesterday "£500 why do i bother" you will see what i mean, and what we are trying to get rid of. No one in this forum to my knowledge would question the likes of yourself for working in your own home. But a bloke who asks a sparky in a car park what he needs to wire up someones bathroom is a big no no.

Cheers.........Howard

 

[Octopus]

This makes me wonder what, if anything, are Niceic, Elesca, Napit et all are doing on OUR behalf.

If Part P collapses their businesses will suffer, so we should lobby our scheme "holders" and MP's.

 

[Engineer54]

This makes me wonder what, if anything, are Niceic, Elesca, Napit et all are doing on OUR behalf.

Nothing!!! ....But they sure do like your money!! ...Why do you think there called ''Scam Providers''???

 

[Paul.M]

Somerset I didn't take offence, this is an open forum and you can say what you like and get it off your chest. It wasn't a personal go at me so no need to apologise.

Sir kitbreaker that thread is in the arms due to bad spelling . Mods could correct the spelling and move it to here?

If we have a few more vues on here could a mod set up a pole so we could all vote for what things gets on our nerves so then WE ALL CAN SEND AN EMAIL TO OUR LOCAL MP and get the ball rolling? Come on gents this is your time to have your say as an unofficial electricians body (which this forum is) and all of us do a simple task of sending an email to sort out the future of OUR industry. If we don't do it, who will???

 

[tonys]

This makes me wonder what, if anything, are Niceic, Elesca, Napit et all are doing on OUR behalf.

If Part P collapses their businesses will suffer, so we should lobby our scheme "holders" and MP's.

People ain't got bottle to stand their ground and say enough is enough, no more fees from us. We are the ones doing the productive physical work and your doing nothing but lapping up our money.

I don't feel sorry for anyone who pays their fees then moans after, you have a choice, its a stupid soft law is part p.

Sorry if anyone is offended, but its the truth.

 

[Octopus]

Nothing!!! ....But they sure do like your money!! ...Why do you think there called ''Scam Providers''???

Well lets hope that they are reading this and taking note! I bet they would rather not be known as "scam providers"!

 

[tonys]

Well lets hope that they are reading this and taking note! I bet they would rather not be known as "scam providers"!

Once their non productive day finishes they don't care what gets written on forums, because action speaks louder than words lol

Makes me laugh when people "say passed my part p assessment with so and so today, he was a real helpful chap etc"

Passing your City & Guilds and becoming and Electrician is an achievement, the above is an insult to an Electricians intelligence.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Fraid I'm in Somersets camp....although I can understand all points of view.
Hands up though....how many of us calling for electrical work to be regulated have changed the brakes on their car/van?.....I'll bet on a mechanics forum right now they are moaning about DIY car servicing.

 

[thekingiam]

it amazes me that every year i have to take my car in for an mot to check safety levels to protect myself and the public in the case of a brake failure etc, however tell everyone that they need a pir every ten years and they still think its a swindle and dont bother.i believe that the home insurers need to tell the public that insurance will not be given unless up to date pir is proved. i also believe that seen as the goverment introduced part p as an insentive for less electrical accidents it has an obligation to the public to inform them of the new regulations and the outcome if not adhered to.