ECA and ESC announce major partnership

[NICEIC ENGINEER]

As announced yesterday the ECA and ESC have formed a new partnership for the good of the industry.

From April next year the NICEIC and ELECSA brands will be operated by a new venture called Certsure giving the industry a stronger voice to government and major stakeholders.

The move will bring many benefits to NICEIC and ELECSA registrants, the first of which is the creation of www.electricalsafetyregister.com a definitive searchable database of more than 30 000 registered electricians.

As part of our policy to be open and informative about the merger we have set up this thread for anyone to ask any questions or queries they might have.

A member of the NICEIC team will monitor the site at various points over the next week and provide answers to any questions you might have about the move.

We want you to get involved and look forward to hearing from you.

 

[Octopus]

All – thanks for the comments – clearly the merger has gonedown well with everyone!!!
Seriously though, it has been interesting to hear the viewsand despite what you think we do listen.
In regard to our past campaigns to consumers, and informationabout our work with the building regulations and training i have added somelinks below.
· Certsure now represents 80% of all Part P contractors in England and Wales
· Certsure now represents 46 of the TOP 50 electrical contractors in the UK
· 92%of notified domestic electrical jobs in the UK will be done by NICEIC/ ELECSAcontractors
· 8 out of every 10 domestic electricalcontractors are registered under the Electrical Safety Register

92% of the job which were actually notified then!

How many aren't notified??

Are the number of notifications rising, declining or staying the same?

 

[Knobhead]

Leading electricalassociations give thumbs up to Select Committee report
Published: 2 April2012
The committee willnow be recommending that all electrical equipment sold in DIY stores carriesa health warning that it is illegal for an unregistered person to carry out mostelectrical works in the home.
“Such labelling isvital to reinforce the important message to the general public that they mustuse a registered electrician to carry out electrical works in the home,” addedBetts. “It will also reinforce a broader health and safety message thatelectrical work can potentially be extremely hazardous.

“More must be doneto alert households to the dangers of using sub-standard electricians and ofthe need to complete regular maintenance checks on electrical circuits in thehome.”
In February thisyear Emma Clancy and Steve Bratt were among a panel of leading electricalcontracting industry figures called in front of the Department of Communitiesand Local Government (CLG) Select Committee to discuss the case for retainingelectrical safety as part of the building regulations.

Source: Electrical-Engineering

For this to have even the slightest credence an independent national register is required.
The electrical associations are bound to give the thumbs up, it’s legalised robbery!

 

[topcat]

I check the site on friday it will not search for any one out side london on my computer and if you can get it to work why are all the nic contractors listed before elecsa ones and why are they not listed in distance from the post code put in my post code gave me people 20 miles away but not ones 1 mile away if its a data base these are easy things to fix before you go live.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Come on Eng54 you didn't expect the guy to do or say anything constructive did you? He makes a very good politician... He talks the talk and you cant trust a word the guy says... You have more chance of winning the Euro lottery than of him addressing any of the criticisms put towards the merger.

Aye .... here in Geordieland we have a name for blokes like this and it "sounds" like banker.

 

[Geordie Spark]

No, i didn't expect much from this guy at all. Just wanted to make it known to him, that he's not fooling anyone!! lol!!

I heard he has been previously employed as a Used Car Salesman.

 

[amberleaf]

Sorry. I’ve not be reading this post till this morning .

Isit coming to unregistered electricians without N***** approval . that we will be sub-standard-electricians’ in the near future . ?????????
forall electricians . is it comingto ?? Them 89% & Us , 11%

Does the sunshine out there van’s . Rich get richer & the poor get madeunemployed . !!

There should be only , one-register for all

 

[GNES]

I think its great that the NICEIC will reduce their fee down to be more in line with ELECSA, a difference of around £9.00. I think it would be even better if they could HALF the fees or bring them more in line with Gas Safe Renewal.RENEWAL REGISTRATION FEES
Renewal registration fees from 1 April 2012 are as follows:

Non-web renewal (includes one engineer)	£175.00
Web renewal (includes one engineer)	£155.00
Additional engineer	£53.00 per engineer

All fees are excluding VAT, thus helping all electricians that want to be registered and stay registered but struggle with yearly fees and update courses. Also before the register becomes live maybe some sort of industry standard could be introduced where any company offering tradesmen sourcing must make it clear that all people sourcing electrical quotes must check that the electrical companies on their websites are listed on the electrical safety register before inviting them or asking them to quote.

 

[Spudnik]

I check the site on friday it will not search for any one out side london on my computer and if you can get it to work why are all the nic contractors listed before elecsa ones and why are they not listed in distance from the post code put in my post code gave me people 20 miles away but not ones 1 mile away if its a data base these are easy things to fix before you go live.

I have just tried my postcode and i was top of the list and im with Elecsa?

 

[amberleaf]

See whatit means to be a forum member can do Jason . Your pulling string !!!! here

 

[Knobhead]

Sorry. I’ve not be reading this post till this morning .

Isit coming to unregistered electricians without N***** approval . that we will be sub-standard-electricians’ in the near future . ?????????
forall electricians . is it comingto ?? Them 89% & Us , 11%

Does the sunshine out there van’s . Rich get richer & the poor get madeunemployed . !!

There should be only , one-register for all

See whatit means to be a forum member can do Jason . Your pulling string !!!! here

Your going to have to translate that for me AL. I've not drunk enough yet.

 

[amberleaf]

Tony . translated . Etc

Jason has a sense of Humor . believe it on not .

From Jason post :
Ihave just tried my postcode and I was top of the list and am with Elecsa ?

See what it means to be a forum-member can do Jason . Your pulling strings !!! here . This was a joke

 

[professional]

All – thanks for the comments – clearly the merger has gonedown well with everyone!!!
Seriously though, it has been interesting to hear the viewsand despite what you think we do listen.
This thread was set up so that we can be honest and open.Yes, we are clearly going to be NICEIC biased – that is part of our job – to promotethe NICEIC.
For those who are not with NICEIC I would just say that promotingour contractors is a key part of our work. After all that is what the fees helpfund. Does your scheme provider do thesame?
In regard to our past campaigns to consumers, and informationabout our work with the building regulations and training i have added somelinks below.
MOTyour home
ASK
BuildingRegulations
Trainingapprentices
In addition, i add some facts about the new Electrical SafetyRegister.
· Certsure now represents 80% of all Part P contractors in England and Wales
· Certsure now represents 46 of the TOP 50 electrical contractors in the UK
· 92%of notified domestic electrical jobs in the UK will be done by NICEIC/ ELECSAcontractors
· 8 out of every 10 domestic electricalcontractors are registered under the Electrical Safety Register
Anyway i think this will be the last post for now from me. Ido hope you have found this thread useful in some way.
Thank you for your views and comments – even the criticalones!

The ability to answer pertinent questions honestly and succinctly would be a valuable addition to your skill set - perhaps your training school run`s a course - but then again, there may be little demand ....

 

[SAILOR48]

It really doesn’t matter all the time checker trade etc, are spending thousands advertising on TV every day.
This lot with all the years they have had to market, and still the public hardly know who they are. NICEIC is such a catchy name for a business for a start.
Just to prove a point put search criteria in Google and see how far up the list any of these scammers come.
If I put electricians in my area, I am 14 places higher than any of them.
Lord Sugar would fire the lot of them.

 

[ezzzekiel]

1. reduce membership fees to something realistic (in line with gassafe)
2. all electricians to become a member at the above realistic price providing they are carrying out private works
3. no more Electrical Trainee only suitably qualified elctricians may join (proof of quals means a single onsite assesment when first joining as further assesments are pointless unless random spot checks.
4. larger advertising campaign to get the message across
5. all scheme providers can stay but operate under a single safety badge (electric safe niceic, electric safe napit, electric safe elecsa)

HOW DIFFICULT IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!

 

[AP Electrical]

I feel this thread was a complete waste of time, niceic set it up to answer questions and then leave after a few posts....... I'm struggling to see how this puts you in a good light to the contractors you depend upon for your very existence alot of who frequent this forum.