ECA and ESC announce major partnership

[NICEIC ENGINEER]

As announced yesterday the ECA and ESC have formed a new partnership for the good of the industry.

From April next year the NICEIC and ELECSA brands will be operated by a new venture called Certsure giving the industry a stronger voice to government and major stakeholders.

The move will bring many benefits to NICEIC and ELECSA registrants, the first of which is the creation of www.electricalsafetyregister.com a definitive searchable database of more than 30 000 registered electricians.

As part of our policy to be open and informative about the merger we have set up this thread for anyone to ask any questions or queries they might have.

A member of the NICEIC team will monitor the site at various points over the next week and provide answers to any questions you might have about the move.

We want you to get involved and look forward to hearing from you.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

I wonder if this kind of charade is being played out in any other section of the building trades?

Is there anything similar in the Gas trade?

carpentry? Plastering?

Tiling?

plumbing?

or are they just all quietly going about their business.


Its embarrassing.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I wonder if this kind of charade is being played out in any other section of the building trades?

Is there anything similar in the Gas trade?

carpentry? Plastering?

Tiling?

plumbing?

or are they just all quietly going about their business.


Its embarrassing.

I agree.

On the gas side, there is Gas Safe and before that there was CORGI who got to be too big for their boots and were "shown the door".

Just remember that these scams exist ONLY because WE (sparkies) ALLOW them to !!

Present a united front and tell them to go play in the traffic and they're finished. What can they do about it??

But that's the whole problem with modern Britain ... NO BODY stands up for them selves so we have Local Authorities "fining" us for putting our bins out on the "wrong day", leaving the lid on the wheely bin half an inch open, putting the "wrong" rubbish in the "wrong" bin ... you get the picture?? And it's all OUR fault - every single one of us - because we've grown too lazy, complacent and compliant to preserve OUR rights and way of life !!

One good thing about being the age I am now is that I won't have to suffer this shyte for too much longer. I really DO HATE what MY Country has become !!

 

[Robert Turnbull]

The ECA seam more concerned about GATESAFE!

 

[Octopus]

Just as an update. The ESC has posted some information about why it felt it necessary to set up the Electrical Safety Register following failed negotiations with other scheme providers.

The Electrical Safety Register : Electrical Safety Council

What a load of rubbish.

My question to the NICEIC and ECA - when are you going to do ANYTHING AT ALL about the appalling standard of workmanship of some of the members using your names? and don't hide behind "the customer has to complain" as 99.9% of customers haven't a clue.

 

[Des 56]

Will it ever end.we have this P Taker back again

Look pal,however you try and polish a turd,its still a turd for god sake

 

[Swicade]

Anyone else get the feeling ECA/Elecsa sold out?

This 'Register' is 90% biased towards promoteing NiC purely aimed at showing the public NiC are the one's to trust (same old propoganda!) with the odd mention of 'that other scam' mentioned just to show willing. Wont be long before elecsa doesn't exist and no doubt NiC will be working on converting the remaining scams.

For those saying 'well we might aswell just join the NiC....' well thats exactly what they're aiming for, one scam more money in subs = more profit to be spent on...erm...promoting the..erm...need for part P....LMFAO!!!

Should only be one Provider for Part P approval...government run....which should equal lower fee's,more publicity, better training = better skill set and therefore a safer country.

Only my opinion as usual....i will add i'm Elecsa and kinda miffed they've sold out.

 

[TaffyDuck]

Elecsa set themselves up as an alternative to ECA and NIC. That is what drew me to them 6 years ago.

1st they sold out to ECA. We were assured that this was a good move for the industry and us contractors. We saw no demonstrable change.

Now this fiasco and we are now it would seem all going to be NIC.

We`ve been sold down the river........again.

We are it would seem no better than a group of plantation slaves being passed from one owner to another with no right of self determination at all.

I call on Elecsa to ask all its contractors to vote.

This could easily be done and would answer the question once and for all.

Will they, no chance because they will know the answer.

 

[Engineer54]

Your all just ''Cash Cow's'' to these scheme providers, the sooner they are kicked off into touch the better for bona-fide electricians and the overall industry as a whole!!

 

[Geordie Spark]

Your all just ''Cash Cow's'' to these scheme providers, the sooner they are kicked off into touch the better for bona-fide electricians and the overall industry as a whole!!

I agree completely and who has the power to make this happen ?? The sparks themselves - BUT it would mean having to stand up and DO something other than sit behind a keyboard typing comments on a forum, but that's the way the British people are nowadays, we've had all the stuffing knocked out of us.

 

[amberleaf]

NICEIC Engineer. speaking as an independent Electrician . with ELECSA

Question. Who ganies to line there pockets here . How many pies can you get your hands into . !!

NICEIC Engineer , have you taken it upon yourselves to be Judge & Jury , in any matters now ,
NICEIC Engineer , do you speak for all Independent Electricians now . or do we have a voice . or is it an Optional .

Last independent Electrician worked in the year 2017. domestic installation . Mob - rule here , NICEIC , what in a name . Rein in the Rich

if I need help carving up the Christmas turkey , I know where to come to. NICEIC . There isto much **** flying around .

Ho Ho Ho

 

[Mark Bridges]

Whatever the merits of the idea of a single register are, and I believe there are merits if there is a single Gas Safe type brand; but the ECA family (yes, ECA, NIC, ECA and Elecsa are all related) why on earth do these people not want to work with NAPIT etc to achieve a common goal instead of going their own way.

I guess it is down to kudos, ego or future income streams perhaps, but as this ECA/NIC family scheme is clearly closed to anyone but members of the "family", whereas the NAPIT etc initiative is open to any currently registered person/firm, including ECA/NIC folk which I think is a much better and inclusive concept, so personally, I will stay well away form the ECA/NIC, no matter how long they have been around and how many members they have or how recognisable their brand is. I was tempted, but as has been observed many time before... having the so called Domestic Installer "brand" legitamising single circuit folk for anything in the house, including a rewire etc always put me off.

This was sent to me after attending an ECA conferance and expressing some curiosity about joining ECA/NIC:

The ECA and ESC have been working for nearly two years to form a meaningful partnership for the good of the electrical contracting industry. From April 2013 joint governance over NICEIC and ELECSA will ensure standards are applied consistently across the industry and that those registered with the schemes are extensively promoted.

To that end we have already launched the Electrical Safety Register: [url]www.electricalsafetyregister.com[/URL]

We are urging our registered contractors not to provide their details to another similarly named web site or organisation purporting to act under the guise of safety. We believe it is merely a move to capture contact details for marketing purposes and a way to push forward their own commercial interests. The other site does not have industry-wide support from the ESC or ECA and has unfortunately created confusion in the industry. Registration on the Electrical Safety Register costs nothing to NICEIC, ELECSA and ECA members and is the first of many benefits the collaboration between The Electrical Contractors Association (ECA) and the Electrical Safety Council (ESC) will bring to both contractors, specifiers and consumers. The register will be promoted extensively to consumers and specifiers of electrical work so that it becomes the number one searchable database for registered electricians. We have sent out more than 60,000 letters to MPs, local authorities, housing associations and other such leading organisations informing them about the register. The ESC and ECA is proud of its rich heritage within the electrical industry. The NICEIC and ELECSA brands are names associated with trust, rigorous assessment of competence and quality of standards. With more than 50 years of experience the Register will become the definitive, trusted resource for anyone looking to employ a competent electrical contractor, whether in the domestic or commercial or industrial environments.

 

[imago]

I still find it amusing when they say "The register will be promoted extensively to consumers and specifiers of electrical work so that it becomes the number one searchable database for registered electricians." then don't put the web adress on the stickers.

Like any other plan devised by a group of ----ers calling themselves a committee, it's pants.

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Thanks Mark Bridges, made interesting reading that.

More of the same ....nothing that suprises me.

One thing I read behind it is that they are rattled, and probably are worried.

I mean "electricsafe" is a winner web address. They missed that one.

Crazy!

No one I have ever worked for has ever found me on a register (like the competent persons one) - they've found me through word of mouth, repeat work or my own advertising.

So they're just more 'registers' I'm not bothered about. They can do five more if they like I'm still not bothered :ihih:

 

[Knobhead]

And Joe Public is still none the wiser.

For god’s sake when will the schemes realise, no one on the high street gives a ---- about them and their little campaigns. The majority of the populous don’t even have Internet access, how do any of you hope to get any sort of safety message across when you rely on the net?
It’s the ones that can’t afford a computer that need educating. If needs be in the local rag then so be it. But not X number of organisations saying, “Our registered electricians are the safest”. You’ll burn Joe’s one functioning brain cell out!
I think it’s time the national press got wind of the smells emanating from the pigsty. Let’s see the scheme’s response once the news hounds get the scent of blood!

You can’t stop squabbling amongst you’re selves. Not one organisation could honestly hold their hand up and say “We’re doing this for the public good”.

Safety, if we get paid for it!

Get rid of the schemes for the good of our industry and the good of the public.
This is down to the scheme members. Who will as usual do absolutely bog all about it.
Pay up and we’ll put you’re name on a list no one knows anything about.

More fool the lot of you!

If I’ve offended anyone, sorry.

No I’m not, because if you’re offended you must have you’re snout in the trough.

 

[Engineer54]

The NICEIC and ELECSA brands are names associated with trust, rigorous assessment of competence and quality of standards.

Now they really are taking the Pee!! They must be trying desperately to actually convince themselves here...

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