ECIR requested by the supplier.

[teacherspark]

I have an EICR to do. The customer has said the electricity supplier were due to replace the meter but have not reconnected the installation until they get a 'certificate to say its safe'. They have said they only require dead tests to be preformed (obviously) and no inspection of accessories is required.

This has all been conveyed to me by the customer. So my question is should I just do the dead tests and nothing from the inspection schedule. And make this clear in the agreed limitations. (Again, it is the customer that has requested this, as advised by the electricity supplier)

Senarios...
I see no RCD protection and glance in the bathroom and there is no supp bonding?

I can clearly see that a radial in 2.5mm is protected by a 32A mcb?

I've not been to the property so this is hypothetical (until tomorrow). I was just drafting an email to the client setting out the limitations when I thought I'd seek advice from the masses.

Thanks

 

[Octopus]

You should conduct all the tests and inspections on the EICR except the live tests ........................ unless you agree limitations with the customer .............

 

[westward10]

Supplier asking for an EICR, most unusual.

 

[Octopus]

Supplier asking for an EICR, most unusual.

I've done a couple in the past .............. normally when a property has been disconnected and they want to be sure its safe to reconnect.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Supplier asking for an EICR, most unusual.

I've had it before. House was used as a skunk factory, got raided, meter got conviscated as was bypassed the supplier wouldn't install the meter untill there was an EICR.

 

[buzzlightyear]

some body stealing elec?

 

[westward10]

I stand corrected chaps.

 

[teacherspark]

You should conduct all the tests and inspections on the EICR except the live tests ........................ unless you agree limitations with the customer .............

I understand I should do everything that isn't included under 'agreed limitations' however what I'm saying is that the client is requesting just dead test be performed as per the instruction from the supplier. Therefore the inspection schedule would be a agreed limitation.
It would make the report extremely weak but it is a report based on the needs/requests of the client and the limitations (all of them) would be documented.

If that is the case (above), it doesn't quite seem right that it can be given satisfactory if I see (off the record) that there is a circuit incorrectly protected.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

An EICR is a report on whether the installation is safe for continued use.
If you do not conduct an inspection, then you can’t really say that the installation is safe for continued use.
Reasonable limitations such as not lifting floor boards, or not conducting dead tests on certain circuits that need to be kept energised, is one thing.
A limitation not to even visually inspect the installation is a bit much, makes the EICR virtually worthless.
I would suggest you at the very least visually inspect the installation to look for glaring defects or dangerous conditions, then conduct the dead tests.
Then write a letter detailing what you have inspected and the test results, indicate whether in your opinion the installation is safe to be energised.

I would further suggest you query why the DNO are refusing to energise the installation and perhaps advise that a full inspection and testing is conducted after the installation is energised.

 

[westward10]

Dead tests will give you polarity, earth continuity of cpcs/ main protective bonds and insulation resistance and if these all prove to be satisfactory you have done what you have been asked to do. State the extent of the Report and fill it in accordingly.

 

[buzzlightyear]

I would agree with spin, do the dead test first ,but put on the test sheet
how ever could not test live till full services are energized.
in which you will open a can of worms !

 

[Risteard]

Supplier asking for an EICR, most unusual.

Been asked before when the DNO disconnected due to evidence of meter tampering.

 

[Nigel]

An EICR is a report on whether the installation is safe for continued use.
If you do not conduct an inspection, then you can’t really say that the installation is safe for continued use.
Reasonable limitations such as not lifting floor boards, or not conducting dead tests on certain circuits that need to be kept energised, is one thing.
A limitation not to even visually inspect the installation is a bit much, makes the EICR virtually worthless.
I would suggest you at the very least visually inspect the installation to look for glaring defects or dangerous conditions, then conduct the dead tests.
Then write a letter detailing what you have inspected and the test results, indicate whether in your opinion the installation is safe to be energised.

I would further suggest you query why the DNO are refusing to energise the installation and perhaps advise that a full inspection and testing is conducted after the installation is energised.

I disagree. There is a box especially for detailing what the condition report is for. Put in there “to determine dead installation is safe to be made live by the DNO”.

This then spells out clearly what the report is for and would make it clear why the excessive limitations.

It would aslo make sure the report could not be misused by the owner.

 

[Risteard]

I disagree. There is a box especially for detailing what the condition report is for. Put in there “to determine dead installation is safe to be made live by the DNO”.

This then spells out clearly what the report is for and would make it clear why the excessive limitations.

It would aslo make sure the report could not be misused by the owner.

My Area Engineer recommended also making a note in the EICR that live testing must be carried out upon re-energisation of the supply in order to verify that the installation is indeed in a satisfactory condition. (Obviously otherwise we don't even know if the RCDs operate correctly as an example.)

 

[Nigel]

My Area Engineer recommended also making a note in the EICR that live testing must be carried out upon re-energisation of the supply in order to verify that the installation is indeed in a satisfactory condition. (Obviously otherwise we don't even know if the RCDs operate correctly as an example.)

Not a bad shout.

Could also date the next inspection as the day the DNO energise.