ECS, NICEIC and JIB farce

[oldtimer]

That 2382 multi guess to upgrade 16th to 17th, the course runner announced i had got "100%".


Yes it was that easy

I am amazed at this tick box mentality or in other words you give us £500 and you will pass we get 100% pass rate and then we can sell live the dream and earn £50k a year by training up as an electrician in 6weeks

 

[markythesparky]

Marky the problem is that the JIB are getting swamped with guys who have the qualifications but just no experience and some of the posts on the forum endorse that when they say well I have bagged my 17th,2391.2377, how do I go about getting my JIB card or in other words how can I frig the system and i am sure you will agree that electricity is dangerous plus the Electrical Trainee debate does not help I have been in the trade 37 years and yes I am still learning so I think JIB are correct in asking for supportive evidence plus it does not help that the individual does not keep a written log book stating what he or she has done and when and who for .


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I couldnt agree more. But now you dont earn your site experience on site as you did before, now you can do it in the college!! at least before you were trained up properly over two years of site work. I mean what on earth is the point of the NVQ system where by the trainee has to write down all the materials used, where the job was, how long it took, what tools were involved, photo's, who was there, what you had in the cafe, what pants you were wearing..........

theres no proof that the trainee even did the work!

The fact that a QS cant get an approved card is utterly preposterous> this is where the JIB should be talking to the Schemies to agree middle ground. in makes a farce of the criterior for becoming a QS.

 

[Guest55]

The fact that a QS cant get an approved card is utterly preposterous> this is where the JIB should be talking to the Schemies to agree middle ground. in makes a farce of the criterior for becoming a QS.

Not sure your logic stacks up there.
The NIC and JIB are completely seperate organisations and have no obligation to accept each others standards.
Just because your deemed worthy of QS status with a scheme doesnt mean you will meet the criteria of approved spark with the JIB.
Likewise an approved spark may not be automatically granted QS for whatever reasons that the scheme may want to uphold.

 

[markythesparky]

Sorry if i didnt explain myself.

When he first applies, a potential QS needs to have certain qualifications before the application is taken any further. Once this criterior is acheived then a visit is arranged and the inspecting engineer assesses not only a number of jobs but more importantly the technical abilities of the applicant. This involves assessing his/ her work and conseqently his/ her competance at the work, and his/ her competence in testing and understanding of the regs.

This is not a one off as it happens every year that the QS is registered with the relevant body.

Therefore by definition, the QS is constantly assessed on his technical ability and therefore is in no need of the one off AM1 or AM2 or NVQ.

Sorry if i didnt make that clearer.