EICR and subsequent remedial work

[leep82]

Ive got an EICR to do this week, and ive mentioned previously how this is somthing i wish to do more off and i feel hands on experience is the best way to learn.

The property has only 4 circuits. 1 x ring, 1 x lighting, 1 x heating and 1 x cooker. I was originally asked to go and have a quick look by the customer as they had recently moved into the house and they were a little concerned by a few things.

A full kitchen refurb is planned in the next few weeks and with this in mind aswell as the issues raised by the customer i suggested the best course of action would be to carry out an EICR. This was agreed and i was also asked if i would be able to carry out the proposed kitchen refurb.

Now when i went to visit the property a couple of things caught my eye that i know will deem the installation unsatisfactory in terms of the report. One being the 45a cooker switch supplied in 6mm2 T&E and protected by a 32a MCB, which isolates the cooker, microwave and dishwasher all supplied in 2.5mm2 T&E from the cooker switch. When the refurb goes ahead this will all be corrected but my observations will be made on the installation at the time of the inspection. And so an unsatisfactory report given.

The plan is to use the existing 6mm feed to supply the induction hob ( which currently sits disconnected in the work top ). When i test the circuit can i use the results from the unsatisfactory report to issue a new satisfactory report once any remedial work is done. Or do i need to retest? This also goes for any other issues i may find.

A minor works certificate will be issued for the kitchen refurb once completed, and im left wondering if im creating myself extra needless paper work. If the issue ive mentioned turns out to be the only thing preventing a satisfactory report would it be better to just isolate/remove from circuit, as i know i am going in to do the refurb work anyway?

Thanks

 

[Midwest]

I wouldn’t mind if they actually did anything for the money they get paid but they don’t. It’s a TAX on the trade for no reason at all. Unlike gas safe who activly prosecute people not registered and with a actual proper assessment to go through to be registered.

If your a member of a scam and something goes wrong you can bet they won’t be anywhere to be seen in support of you.

Well if we parallel ourselves, me in a scam, you failing to comply with the building regs, doesn't matter which is the more competent electrician, you're the one breaking the law & liable to prosecution. Its the way it is.

 

[davesparks]

Yeah so would I, Kitchen refurbishment and no new circuits recipe for disaster imo

Why is it a recipe for disaster?
If the existing circuits are adequate then why waste materials installing new circuits?

 

[Dave OCD]

Personally if the customer is having a new kitchen and there's only one RFC in the property I'll always explain the benefits of a dedicated power circuit to serve the kitchen as that's where the majority of the loading is typically. But equally if their budget doesn't accommodate this I'll alter the existing circuit accordingly as long as it's still safe and compliant.

 

[leep82]

So today i went back to the property to carry out the EICR here are a few pics. Seems like the previous tennant was a bit of an expert DIY’er

 

[leep82]

Some of the pictures may be difficult to make out, all but one upstairs light which were class 1 fittings did not have a cpc. A 2 core flex had been taken to each from, a block of connectors where there was actually a cpc present! In another of the pics the cpc is actually used as a strapper difficult to make out and i didnt notice it at first. I just thought the cpc had been cut out of the cable until i realised theyve slid a bit of red sleeving over it.

 

[Dave OCD]

And boxes nailed in- I hate that !

 

[leep82]

rn - rn reading was also high and i had an open circuit r2 - r2. This is the only ring final circuit in the house and from which i was proposing to install additional sockets as part of the kitchen refurb. However, and as quite rightly mentioned by others i suggested the installation of a new ring final circuit. Which having seen the state of the wiring the customer is happy to go ahead with.