EICR Classification codes advice

[Guest55]

A colleague used to love awarding that 'defect' as a Code 2 in old money, even though the sheath of a T&E cable passed through the hole and the sunken backbox and cable aren't likely to move much!

There are 2 types of electrical inspector in this world...........

Those that take a wider common sense view of whether an installation is overall safe...
And those that see it as an opportunity to write out shopping lists of crappy little defects that make no odds.
;-)

 

[jc_150]

Hi all
In case anyone has not seen it there is quite a good guide on Classification Codes from the Electrical Safety Council, the link is:
http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/use...y/best_practice/BestPracticeGuide4-Locked.pdf
Regards
JohnC

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Storage heater case loose, are live parts accessible?

I would go C3 because it has now't to do with the EICR, but we have a duty of care to bring it to someones attention. This actually falls under In service Inspection and test of electrical equipment aka Pat Testing, as it is not part of the fixed installation.

Cheers................Howard

 

[GaryM]

There's not many portable storage heaters. They weigh a bloody ton!
Also they're normally permanently wired in and not connected via a plug top so can be commented on or defects noted on an EICR.

 

[Guest55]

The last domestic PIR i did had storage heaters that were permanently connected to the supply.
I considered them part of the fixed wiring and inspected them accordingly.

 

[Guest55]

Sirkit , I dont see how you can give a code 3 to something you dont consider to be covered by bs 7671 ?
Doesnt make sense ?
Include in the report by all means , but with no code.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

There's not many portable storage heaters. They weigh a bloody ton!
Also they're normally permanently wired in and not connected via a plug top so can be commented on or defects noted on an EICR.

I didnt say they cant be commented on if you read my post, i said that we have an obligation. You obviously have none or very little knowledge regarding In service Insp and Test of electrical equipment, nor can you differentiate between the fixed installation, or electrical equipment, or you would not have made the comments about the storage heaters that you have.

Before you start posting p*** taking post's, i suggest you check all you facts. i am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i wont jump and make comments about something that i have no understanding of.

Cheers..........Howard

 

[GaryM]

I didnt say they cant be commented on if you read my post, i said that we have an obligation. You obviously have none or very little knowledge regarding In service Insp and Test of electrical equipment, nor can you differentiate between the fixed installation, or electrical equipment, or you would not have made the comments about the storage heaters that you have.

Before you start posting p*** taking post's, i suggest you check all you facts. i am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i wont jump and make comments about something that i have no understanding of.

Cheers..........Howard

Last night didn't go to plan?

I'll reply properly when I get home this evening, on my mobile at the moment.

 

[malcolmsanford]

There's not many portable storage heaters. They weigh a bloody ton!
Also they're normally permanently wired in and not connected via a plug top so can be commented on or defects noted on an EICR.

??????

The last domestic PIR i did had storage heaters that were permanently connected to the supply.
I considered them part of the fixed wiring and inspected them accordingly.

Welcome back Biff .............................


Are you two the forum double act

 

[telectrix]

morecombe and wise (deceased) or is it randall and hopkirk (deceased)

 

[Guest55]

??????



Welcome back Biff .............................

Thanks.

Are you two the forum double act

Well i'm up for forming a tag team if Gary is.

 

[Octopus]

just done the 17th ammendment and the new codes are really questionable to say the least
c1 - the fault will kill straight away
c2 - req rectifing as soon as
c3 - its ok but .... could do with a upgrade

IMHO there should be a C4 for inspectors "observations" too!

 

[somersetsparks]

I just use an O for my observations! :wink_smile:

 

[GaryM]

I would go C3 because it has now't to do with the EICR, but we have a duty of care to bring it to someones attention. This actually falls under In service Inspection and test of electrical equipment aka Pat Testing, as it is not part of the fixed installation.

​

I didnt say they cant be commented on if you read my post, i said that we have an obligation. You obviously have none or very little knowledge regarding In service Insp and Test of electrical equipment, nor can you differentiate between the fixed installation, or electrical equipment, or you would not have made the comments about the storage heaters that you have.

Before you start posting p*** taking post's, i suggest you check all you facts. i am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i wont jump and make comments about something that i have no understanding of.

Cheers..........Howard

OK, you're saying a defect with a storage heater has nothing to do with an EICR as a storage heater "falls under In service Inspection and test of electrical equipment aka Pat Testing, as it is not part of the fixed installation". You then go on to say you would give any defect a C3 which itself is a little contradicting.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Institute of Electrical Engineers Code of Practice provides guidance on the various types of equipment:

Portable appliance

An appliance of less than 18kg in mass that is intended to be moved whilst in operation or an appliance which can easily be moved from one place to another, e.g. vacuum cleaner, toaster, food mixer, etc.

Transportable or movable equipment

This equipment is either:
a weight of 18 kg or less and not fixed, e.g. electric heater or
Equipment with castors, wheels or other means to facilitate movement by the operator as required to perform its intended use, e.g. portable air conditioning unit

Hand held appliances or equipment

Defined as portable equipment intended to be hand held during normal use, e.g. hair dryer

Stationary appliances or equipment

This is defined as equipment with a weight exceeding 18kg and not provided with a carrying handle, e.g. Washing machine, refrigerator

Fixed appliances or equipment

This is defined as equipment or an appliance which is fixed to a support or otherwise secured in a specific location, e.g. bathroom heater

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Going on the above I'd class a storage heater as fixed equipment (fixed to the wall, usually heavier than 18kg and connected via a FCU or DP switch, not a plug top), just like a shower, outside light fitting or a boiler, and not part of a regular PAT testing schedule. If the flex or casing was damaged then I'd issue a code (C1, C2 or C3) based on the severity of the defect whilst carrying out a PIR.
What in that is so wrong that it takes a reply filled with anger to get your point across?

 

[Guitarist]

I didnt say they cant be commented on if you read my post, i said that we have an obligation. You obviously have none or very little knowledge regarding In service Insp and Test of electrical equipment, nor can you differentiate between the fixed installation, or electrical equipment, or you would not have made the comments about the storage heaters that you have.

Before you start posting p*** taking post's, i suggest you check all you facts. i am the first to admit when i am wrong, but i wont jump and make comments about something that i have no understanding of.

Cheers..........Howard

I think that post was uncalled for tbh Howard.