EICR - Code 1 or 2 - for unenclosed conductors in choc-blocs?

Marcus Vaughan · Apr 29, 2019

Hi all,

I've got a couple of examples of this;

[ElectriciansForums.net] EICR - Code 1 or 2 - for unenclosed conductors in choc-blocs?

on a domestic EICR.

I'm on the fence with the coding - C1 or C2. There is no copper showing on the live parts - but I wouldn't like to grab it.

I just want to be consistent with this - I mean if it was just bare conductors twisted together then definitely C1 - but if in a choc-bloc?

I'd be interested to know how others would code it.

Charlie_ · Apr 29, 2019

If the tails are 300mm or less then there isn’t a problem

The Flyinhos · Apr 29, 2019

The Flyinhos said:
I'm not a NAPIT member, I'm in ECA. The way I see it is that every situation is different, but this book is a very good baseline to work from. It is ultimately the inspectors professional opinion. The subject has always been a sticky wicket as the only standard on EICR reporting really was the Electrical Safety First Best Practice Guide No 4. Though quite good doesn't go into detail as much s the Codbreakers book does.
Best practice guide 4, free to download
Codebreakers approx £20 +VAT & delivery.

Best Practice Guides | Electrical Safety First - https://www.----------------------------/professional-resources/best-practice-guides/

wirepuller said:
Code 1 if within reach in an accessible position, code 2 if it's not. Regarding the tails thing that NAPIT suggest is potentially dangerous....Last week I left 16.0mm tails in place on a board change because replacing them would have involved unacceptable disturbance to decoration. The tails have been there since the early Jurassic, show no signs of thermal stress, and IMO are adequate for the present load despite the 100a service fuse. EIC clearly stated my reasons for leaving them in place. and that if additional load is installed consideration must be given to the adequacy of the supply tails. It's also worth pointing out that often where tails are upgraded by an installer to 25mm to the DB, the tails from the head to the meter often remain 16mm, making it rather pointless. Scam guidance on coding is a useful starting point, but must not be considered 'law'.....we can use our judgement.

As I stated earlier "It is ultimately the inspectors professional opinion." As like all the books we have BS7671, OSG, GN1-8 ect ect are all guidance. Though building regs & HS acts are law. Each situation can be different, thus it ultimately the inspectors professional opinion, and must form that opinion by the best of there knowledge with the understanding that it is an official document which could be scrutinized in a court of law.
They are the base points at which we start from, not something we try to achieve. In most cases following these you will normally give compliance, but not all of the time. Read, understand, implement, question.
@Marcus Vaughan , hope some of the above posts have been some help.

Marcus Vaughan · Apr 29, 2019

The Flyinhos said:
As I stated earlier "It is ultimately the inspectors professional opinion." As like all the books we have BS7671, OSG, GN1-8 ect ect are all guidance. Though building regs & HS acts are law. Each situation can be different, thus it ultimately the inspectors professional opinion, and must form that opinion by the best of there knowledge with the understanding that it is an official document which could be scrutinized in a court of law.
They are the base points at which we start from, not something we try to achieve. In most cases following these you will normally give compliance, but not all of the time. Read, understand, implement, question.
@Marcus Vaughan , hope some of the above posts have been some help.

They have been a lot of help (yes I have been following my own post

).

It's interesting to see different peoples take on it and the way to approach it all.

I'm not a big fan of carrying out EICRs because of the ambiguity of it all, and some of the things we find are astonishing and don't seem to fit any of the suggested tick boxes in the model forms. They seem to take me hours to procrastinate over and write up.

Reading through other threads today - there are cases where one electrician would give a code 1 and another would give a code 2 or even a 3 for the same non-compliance.