EICR For Landlords

[philich]

Hi
I am a retired electrician , 17th and 2391
I own a tenanted property which will require an Eicr before April next year or sooner, if I have a change of tenant
I guess I am going to have to pay a registered company to do this, which is I really dont want to do
Which is crazy when I am more than capable,

Is there any way round this , or do I just have to bite the bullet ?

Cheers Phil

 

[andyb]

Hi Phil
As far as I am aware the EICR does not need to be undertaken by a registered company or person.
If you are qualified and competant then you will be okay.

 

[PCroft]

Hi
I am a retired electrician , 17th and 2391
I own a tenanted property which will require an Eicr before April next year or sooner, if I have a change of tenant
I guess I am going to have to pay a registered company to do this, which is I really dont want to do
Which is crazy when I am more than capable,

Is there any way round this , or do I just have to bite the bullet ?

Cheers Phil

Good day Phil
My understanding is that the EICR will be required on change or renewal of tenancy or by April 2021 - whichever is first. It is also the case that the qualification for an EICR is that the person carrying out the testing/certification is suitably qualified and experienced rather than belonging to a CPS. May be worth looking that up. Other consideration though is insurance. I have Public Liability and Professional Indemnity Insurances to cover me should I get it work in a really big way. So I think you have to weight up the pros and cons and decide which is a best fit for you.

Best

Peter

 

[Taylortwocities]

Agreed. There’s odd-job men doing EICRs out there who have no test and inspection qualifications.
Just have a look at some of the topics on this forum!

You’ll be fine if you have 2391. If you not up to date with codes, there a handy book from NAPIT

NAPIT EICR Codebreakers | NAPIT (CODEBREAKERS)

www.tlc-direct.co.uk

or a free guide on line

https://www.----------------------------/media/1626/best-practice-guide-4.pdf

happy to answer any questions on here, of course!

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Hi Phil,
Do a bit of reading on the 18th and what the differences from the 17th are, download a model form (There are some on here) and do it yourself. Your probably more competent than most who will be doing these tests anyway Just by having the 2391. Any questions just ask on here, I’m sure there are people who will give an old boy a nudge in the right direction on here if you have any queries ?

 

[philich]

Hi Phil,
Do a bit of reading on the 18th and what the differences from the 17th are, download a model form (There are some on here) and do it yourself. Your probably more competent than most who will be doing these tests anyway Just by having the 2391. Any questions just ask on here, I’m sure there are people who will give an old boy a nudge in the right direction on here if you have any queries ?

Hi Phil,
Do a bit of reading on the 18th and what the differences from the 17th are, download a model form (There are some on here) and do it yourself. Your probably more competent than most who will be doing these tests anyway Just by having the 2391. Any questions just ask on here, I’m sure there are people who will give an old boy a nudge in the right direction on here if you have any queries ?

Thanks for the replies guys
Yes I will do a bit more reading
The house had been rewired to to the 17th when I got it ,but did need some remediable work
I am confident I can inspect it to the 18th, (have to get my qualifying supervisors head back on) its just the legality that I am unsure of

Cheers


So

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

If you were a QS aswell you should have no issues. Have a read up on the 17th Edition Amm3 aswell if your retired prior to 2015 as that includes the whole metal consumer unit ordeal.
Try not to read the masses of other EICR posts were currently having and there are a lot of dodgy code suggestions knocking about.

 

[Midwest]

I'm wondering what your insurance company (for your rented property) might say about you carrying out the EICR on your property, and whether they could be sure it was an unbiased opinion? Not saying you would not record things correctly, but do you get what I'm saying. Its not like an EIC, its your professional opinion and some here recommend having professional indemnity insurance to carry our EICR's

Have you asked them?

 

[philich]

I'm wondering what your insurance company (for your rented property) might say about you carrying out the EICR on your property, and whether they could be sure it was an unbiased opinion? Not saying you would not record things correctly, but do you get what I'm saying. Its not like an EIC, its your professional opinion and some here recommend having professional indemnity insurance to carry our EICR's

Have you asked them?

Yes thats a thought , but they never ask about the annual Gas test ,which of course I have done

 

[Midwest]

Not something that would crop up until, God forbid, something go’s wrong, and there’s a claim.

 

[pc1966]

As already mentioned by Taylortwocities, the best practice guide #4 has a lot of useful information in it.

A lot of those codes are not likely to come up on something that was rewired to 17th but you might find a couple of points that would result in a C3, or maybe just a C2 (which would require correction as a landlord) for bathroom related stuff, etc.
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More than likely it would be a lack of RCD protection, but if you have a new-ish CU then changing to RCBO for those circuits, etc, may correct things.

 

[philich]

As already mentioned by Taylortwocities, the best practice guide #4 has a lot of useful information in it.

A lot of those codes are not likely to come up on something that was rewired to 17th but you might find a couple of points that would result in a C3, or maybe just a C2 (which would require correction as a landlord) for bathroom related stuff, etc.
[automerge]1593863265[/automerge]
More than likely it would be a lack of RCD protection, but if you have a new-ish CU then changing to RCBO for those circuits, etc, may correct things.

Yes I may have a read of the 18th and add some RCBO,s as its just a single RCB split board just to update it a bit. But wait until things get back to normal before I do

 

[pc1966]

Yes I may have a read of the 18th and add some RCBO,s as its just a single RCB split board just to update it a bit. But wait until things get back to normal before I do

Depending on space it might be simpler to make it in to a dual RCD split board then all circuits will have RCD protection and that ought to eliminate that sort of issue to be corrected.

Worth checking the leakage per circuit first, and making sure there is no "borrowed neutral" in any upstairs/downstairs lighting arrangements.

 

[Zerax]

I'm wondering what your insurance company (for your rented property) might say about you carrying out the EICR on your property, and whether they could be sure it was an unbiased opinion? Not saying you would not record things correctly, but do you get what I'm saying. Its not like an EIC, its your professional opinion and some here recommend having professional indemnity insurance to carry our EICR's

Have you asked them?

The problem with asking the insurance company is that they might say no. As long as there's nothing in the 'small print' about not being the tester and the policy holder, if that was me, I'd carry on. There's certainly nothing in BS7671 against it, nor in any statutory document.

 

[Midwest]

The problem with asking the insurance company is that they might say no. As long as there's nothing in the 'small print' about not being the tester and the policy holder, if that was me, I'd carry on. There's certainly nothing in BS7671 against it, nor in any statutory document.

The problem with not asking the insurance company, is they might say no, when making a claim. My point is nothing to do with BS7671 nor similar documents, statutory or otherwise. The insurance company may have no objections.

If I was the prospective tenant, I would not be comfortable with the landlord carry out his or her own safety testing, just to save money. I would want such testing carried out by an independent person or company, no offence meant @philich.

From the RLA web site:

Can I self-certify the property? If you are qualified to check installations to the 18th Edition of the Wiring Regulations and provide a report on it then yes you should be able to self-certify. However, if there are any issues with the property upon inspection by a local authority you would likely be in a worse position than someone who had a qualified person perform the inspection for them.