EICR help!!

[Dannydigger]

Hi Guys,

need a a bit of advice. I was carrying out an EICR yesterday and when I came to test CU the fuse ways (12 of them) only had 5 of them labelled. The others were blank so I had no idea of what circuit the mcb's belong to. I tested IR on all circuits and all came back fine.

how do I record this on my EICR, do I leave the test sheet out and advise unable to carry out tests or is there another solution?

many thanks

dan

 

[GMES]

Danny one of the problems I see here is you will always get some customers that will just want a clean ticket so will happily agree with whatever you say to get that ticket, it is however your job as a qualified competant tradesman to do the job correctly. If having to stay longer to id all the circuits correctly then that's what you have to do, even if if you have underquoted for this I wouldn't want to leave there not knowing what the circuits were being used for.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Hi Guys,

need a a bit of advice. I was carrying out an EICR yesterday and when I came to test CU the fuse ways (12 of them) only had 5 of them labelled. The others were blank so I had no idea of what circuit the mcb's belong to. I tested IR on all circuits and all came back fine.

how do I record this on my EICR, do I leave the test sheet out and advise unable to carry out tests or is there another solution?

many thanks

dan

You just turn off an mcb,go round and find out whats gone off....it's hardly rocket science.

 

[yellowvanman]

If you can't find anything when you turn off the MCBs leave them off and tell the owner if something now doesn't work then it'll be one of the unidentified circuits. After a little while return and test whatever has been identified and disconnect the rest!

 

[Flanders]

You should mark any untraced circuits on the report as fi (further investigation) as said leave the circuit turned off and inform the customer . My understanding is if there are any fi codes on the report then it is deemed unsatisfactory, the only way to ensure the installation is safe is to disconnect the circuits you can not identify, if you have radial circuits wih one socket on them then they could of been old storage heater circuits

 

[newtothis]

the house is empty and no LV lighting etc in there. What baffled me was there wasn't a great d Al of electrics in the place and one MCB I identified went to 1 socket in the hall (radial)
thats what hat I was up against

Are you saying there was no appliances therefore, nothing to go off ?
Out of interest, how would one get around this situation ?
Rather than going down the 'unidentified path' ?
Would a fuse-finder be the thing, or carry some kind of appliance, or what ?

 

[Richard Burns]

Turn everything off except that circuit and see what is still on.
Use a cable tracer to follow the cable if you have a good one.
Use a volt stick to see if there is power at any accessory.

 

[Lazlo]

Identifying circuits is an integral part of an EICR, labelled or not. If they are labelled they are usually labelled incorrectly. If you do not identify and test all circuits you have not really carried out an EICR. Unless you have an agreed sampled number of circuits etc on a rolling year by year schedule or if the customer specifically asks for the EICR to be carried out on specific circuits e.g. circuits supplying external areas etc.

 

[Dannydigger]

Guys,

can I just say a massive thank you to everyone who has come back with helpful constructive advice, a I am new to the whole thing this is very much appreciated.

Thanks again helpful guys

dan

 

[Andy78]

Danny, with respect a dummy spitting attitude will get you nowhere on this forum or in your career.
The comments you have attracted are of a certain nature because periodic testing and reporting requires a high level of qualification and experience to carry out fully and to the standards required for endurance of safety.
Your comments ha e suggested that you lack basic competence with testing and fault finding.
You are new to this, yes, but the way to gain experience is not by charging customers for half baked reports when you run out of skills and knowledge.
Take it on the chin and get your head in the books.

 

[gutterball]

Hi Dan, I don't want to be seen as criticizing you in any way but you list your qualifications as Part P & 17th edition. the 1st is a building regulation and the 2nd is an up grade for previous versions of the regulations. Do you have any testing qualifications? If not I would suggest not doing EICR's as it takes a lot of experience to carry them out especially on older installations.

 

[SS-2015]

Also don't forget that sometimes things can be misconstrued through the wonderful art of text!
I find a lot of answers on here are straight to the point answers that in the real world would be 'fluffed' up with niceties, vocal tone and facial expressions! I think if you ask a question on forums such as this you get people's honest options/answers - after all there would be no point getting a load of wrong answers! Or false opinions!

 

[Darkwood]

Guys,

can I just say a massive thank you to everyone who has come back with helpful constructive advice, a I am new to the whole thing this is very much appreciated.

Thanks again helpful guys

dan

Danny I have edited the above to remove you non constructive negative attitude, although we respect you may have issue with some of the comments posted we employ a report option at the bottom of any post, please use this if you feel you have grounds to report a post and DO NOT react by becoming abrasive.

In your opening post you would be better expressing your inexperience as this informs the members of your level and replies will be tailored as such and can avoid members questioning your experience, I haven't found any 'over the top' or abusive replies (maybe the odd blunt one) but they have a relevent point, I would take the good advice and criticism as both constructive in this case rather than getting worked up about some of the replies.

Lets not see anymore such reactions in future please and I'll re-iterate - Use the report option if someone goes out of there way to be abusive or offensive.

Thankyou.

 

[markc123]

I'm kind of just repeating whats been said before here.

With some detective work, which i agree can be a pain in the backside and take a lot longer than it should 99% of circuits will be able to be identified.

Throughout my whole EICR working life i've only had 1 circuit which i haven't been able to identify properly, and as flanders has said you write down as Further Investigation and Operational Limitations on the test sheet - tell the customer that circuit hasn't been tested, lock it off and get them to ring you if something isn't working in the near future. The one job i'm talking about here was over 2years ago and i've still had no phone call which leads me to believe its a junction box buried in a wall / cavity / floorboard somewhere.

Writing it down as unidentified in most cases is just an easy way out, if the job takes that little longer then so be it - you leave with your head held high knowing you've done a good job.