EICR lighting not on RCD

[TheCodboy]

Hi all, as many of us are probably getting lots of EICR's to do on rental properties, I'm just wondering what you guys are coding non RCD circuits, especially Lighting. As we know,new circuits have to be 30mA covered but the older installs didn't. Personally I'm coding C3 for lighting, Immersion spurs etc. Now, what about cables at less than 50mm without protection etc. If they are in a plasterboard wall, or capped and skimmed over these might not meet the requirements and therefore possibly a C2. We cant really verify whether they are deep enough or mechanically protected. I was always told that you can't make presumptions and assume its worst case. Do you agree with this? Interested to hear your thoughts.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Cables buried less than 50mm in the building fabric with no 30mA RCD protection... C3

 

[TheCodboy]

Cables buried less than 50mm in the building fabric with no 30mA RCD protection... C3

Now please don’t roll your eyes.... but Napit would suggest that it’s a C2 according to the codebreakers.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

Pffft. My NIC inspector agrees with me.

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What does your Codebreaker book say about No 30mA RCD protection to domestic lighting circuits or No 30mA RCD protection to socket outlet rates 32A or less?

 

[TheCodboy]

Pffft. My NIC inspector agrees with me.

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What does your Codebreaker book say about No 30mA RCD protection to domestic lighting circuits or No 30mA RCD protection to socket outlet rates 32A or less?

I think it’s C3, but again you’ve gotta use your own judgement really. I had a call from someone who had drilled through a switch drop. He had 3 goes at it in a line. Kept hitting the capping and in the 3rd go decided to push a bit harder and finally went through and nipped the cable. It’s people like this that concern me....

 

[telectrix]

cables i walls, not complying with 522.6 ( RCD or earthed protextuion), C3 if in prescribed zones, if diagilonal or out of zones, C2. exsxuse beer fingres.

 

[radiohead]

Hi all, as many of us are probably getting lots of EICR's to do on rental properties, I'm just wondering what you guys are coding non RCD circuits, especially Lighting. As we know,new circuits have to be 30mA covered but the older installs didn't. Personally I'm coding C3 for lighting, Immersion spurs etc. Now, what about cables at less than 50mm without protection etc. If they are in a plasterboard wall, or capped and skimmed over these might not meet the requirements and therefore possibly a C2. We cant really verify whether they are deep enough or mechanically protected. I was always told that you can't make presumptions and assume its worst case. Do you agree with this? Interested to hear your thoughts.

There is no requirement for an immersion spur to be RCD protected.

 

[TheCodboy]

Why does an 'immersion spur have to be RCD protected?

I'm not saying it does. I just put it down as C3 as it could be improved but isn't dangerous.

 

[radiohead]

I'm not saying it does. I just put it down as C3 as it could be improved but isn't dangerous.

Well you shouldn't, a code 3 needs to be backed up by a non compliance with Bs7671...ie a regulation.
If you want to recommend RCD protection then do so, but only as an advisory note, not a code.

 

[TheCodboy]

Well you shouldn't, a code 3 needs to be backed up by a non compliance with Bs7671...ie a regulation.
If you want to recommend RCD protection then do so, but only as an advisory note, not a code.

Fair point yes.

 

[magnoliafan89]

When doing an EICR and they don't have lights on an RCD I tell them their electrics are dangerous, disconnect then tell them I'm going to have to rewire the property with full RCBO board.

Then I put my spurred boots on climb atop my horse and ride off into the sunset

 

[Welchyboy1]

Now please don’t roll your eyes.... but Napit would suggest that it’s a C2 according to the codebreakers.

I had a similiar issue recently, Napit say C2, NICEIC say C3, but in the end its down to you! I with a C3

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Additionally............mmmm

 

[Baddegg]

cables i walls, not complying with 522.6 ( RCD or earthed protextuion), C3 if in prescribed zones, if diagilonal or out of zones, C2. exsxuse beer fingres.

Is buzz staying with you Tel ?

 

[Risteard]

Now please don’t roll your eyes.... but Napit would suggest that it’s a C2 according to the codebreakers.

They're not called Crapit for no reason...

 

[TheCodboy]

There is no requirement for an immersion spur to be RCD protected.

Why does an immersion circuit not require an Rcd? Is it because it’s fixed?