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Robert51

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Hello,

I've recently had an EICR done on my residential let. The property is a 1-bed flat in London on the 8th floor, about 10 to 15 years old.

The EICR has not been issued but the electrcian has said as things stand, it is unsatisfactory with a C2 rating. This is due to the the fuse boxes did not have RCD for all the circuits in the flat (specifically the lighting and socket circuits). It has the older MCB instead. The electrician has recommended the boxes be changed to an RCD one which will cost about ÂŁ600 or an RCBO for ÂŁ750 in order for the EICR to be satisfactory and no other issues were observed and all the wiring were great.

I was slightly surprised by this. I've been reading up regulations since just to learn a bit more about what is required.

I completely do not mind remediating something that is required, however, I don't want to be taken for a ride and scared into installing something that is a nice to have. I have read that not having RCD is does not necessarily result in an unsatisfactory report but it's will result in a recommendation only to upgrade. What a C2 rating means is that it's not safe for continued use. However, if this is the case, surely most of the properties out there would fail the EICR which doesn't make sense to me especially given it's a new building.

I'm stuck between getting another electrician to do another EICR or not, however, I don't know enough to determine whether what the current electrician is saying is correct. I was charged ÂŁ90 for the EICR.

Any advice here would be really appreciated!

Many thanks.
 
So all the circuits appear to have an insulation resistance test at 500V, but only (L+N) to E, since there would not have been time to go round and disconnect everything so should have been at 250V? That being the case, hopefully nothing plugged in or connected was blown up! Assuming the test was actually done!

The L+N to E test is done at 500V and is perfectly acceptable for an EICR.

Why do you think anything would be 'blown up'?
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Hi everyone, I got the EICR back for one of the flats that failed it. I've attached a pdf.

If anyone here could let me know what they think of the C2 ratings in here, it would be much appreciated. As I mentioned before, I am just looking to see if these ratings are correct and proper or whether the guy is looking for more work.

Much appreciated everyone.

I'd send that back and request a new report written in English instead of that nonsense.
 
I don't believe in 45 mins it would have been possible to do the range of tests on the sheet there are results for - such as all the (R1+R2) tests especially sockets.
A long lead continuity test there, too. That plus up and down 8 stories with tackle would use the 3/4 hour.
Rubbish stuff, all round for a one off.
If they are multi, four of those a day churns out best part of 2k a week....…….money for old rope and that's why it's not just taking the p*** out of the customer but the trade in general.….again.
 
Thank you everyone for the reply - it's very interest and helpful to get perspective from you.

I wanted to ask how much people here thinks it should cost to fit one RCD assuming everything else was in order?

I also wondered if any textbooks from NICEIC would be helpful for me to understand things a bit better. I always like to have at least a basic knowledge of the rules. NICEIC have some book on their website. Would the guidance note on inspection and testing provide some helpful info on the coding of things:

 
As there's one RCBO fitted already fitting another shouldn't be a problem. Do you have a picture of the board?
 
Would the guidance note on inspection and testing provide some helpful info on the coding of things:
Not that one, it is the IET guide to performing the tests, not the coding for acceptability in an EICR.

The best freely available guide is the Best Practice #4 booklet available free here:
https://www.----------------------------/professional-resources/best-practice-guides/
It has various examples of problems and coding relating to them.
 
He actually tested seven circuits, three of those single point circuits, the assumed off peak appears to have been omitted. Nevertheless if 45 minutes is an accurate timescale it isn't really feasible. This is a typical narrow minded Report with the usual comments rcd protection, plastic consumer unit and little else.
He’s a super tester. I reckon I’ve spent 45mins just filling in the test sheets ... but I am a bit slow.
 

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